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00:50:19  <defunctzombie>substack: ping
00:51:35  <substack>defunctzombie: yo
00:51:52  <defunctzombie>substack: was talking to guillermo about some stuff and browserify came up
00:52:06  <defunctzombie>substack: the stuff about removing auto-shimming node.js stuff
00:52:16  <substack>--bare
00:52:17  <defunctzombie>substack: I think one clever way to do it is with a global transform
00:52:45  <defunctzombie>what is --bare?
00:52:58  <substack>browserify help advanced
00:53:33  <substack>or rather
00:53:41  <substack>browserify --help advanced
00:53:44  <defunctzombie>substack: rofl.. we actually use most of that except the __filename__dirname stuff
00:53:48  <defunctzombie>we insert 'global
00:53:52  <defunctzombie>cause that is more useful
00:54:07  <defunctzombie>(in engine.io-client that is)
00:54:22  <substack>you probably just want --bare
00:54:31  <substack>but there's --no-builtins too
00:54:34  <defunctzombie>yea
00:54:35  <defunctzombie>we use that one
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00:55:12  <defunctzombie>was just thinking that all the node specialsauce could be done on the final file
00:55:15  <defunctzombie>even
00:55:19  <defunctzombie>or as some sort of transform
00:55:25  <defunctzombie>that way browserify itself is simpler
00:55:48  <substack>defunctzombie: it already is
00:55:57  <defunctzombie>yea?
00:56:00  <substack>insert-module-globals is a global transform
00:56:22  <defunctzombie>and that gets turned off by that --no-builtins flag?
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01:16:15  <jjjohnny>ogd: hughsk may I suggest something in this form factor http://johnnyscript.us/demos/j-san/
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01:19:40  <jjjohnny>thats an incomplete thing, obviously, but I think it hints at a better experience flippping thru braches in a json file
01:22:55  <jjjohnny>which is, you only view a branch at a time, with a single trail back to the trunk
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02:34:26  <kumavis>jjjohnny: its like the column view in finder (osx) http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/mac-os-x-finder-column-view.JPG
02:34:45  <kumavis>which i think is pretty useful
02:35:04  <ogd>jlord: http://i.imgur.com/civQQne.gif
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02:45:59  <jjjohnny>kumavis: agreed
02:46:09  <kumavis>is there a distributed kickstarter?
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03:17:26  <jjjohnny>dominictarr: idea: observables as the paramater object, for connectiong function params to the UI
03:17:52  <jjjohnny>kumavis: feedopensource.com
03:18:30  <kumavis>yeah thats pretty close but it doesn't have time-limits or escrow built in
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05:27:13  <kumavis>people were talking about webfs recently
05:27:18  <kumavis>pfraze maybe?
05:28:06  <kumavis>what is out there in terms of a working browser fs implementation (that mirrors node's)
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05:30:53  <mmckegg>yeah, that's basically just writeStream, and very naively too
05:31:37  <mmckegg>I have plans to improve this further, but lately I've just been working directly with the FileSystem API
05:32:00  <mmckegg>there's jjjohny's https://www.npmjs.org/package/nota-bene
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05:34:19  <mmckegg>kumavis: Another interesting aspect that I'm not quite sure how to solve yet, is dealing with Chrome Packaged Apps. You start with a FileEntry object instead of a path, it's more like a file descriptor.
05:35:16  <kumavis>hmm I haven't messed with chrome packaged apps
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05:37:00  <kumavis>nota bene looks good
05:37:42  <kumavis>https://github.com/juliangruber/level-fs also pretty good
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05:39:36  <mmckegg>the level based one would probably be more reliable in terms of matching node fs
05:40:25  <mmckegg>There's some weird difference with the way the browser fs handles write modes and file closing
05:41:22  <mmckegg>Like if you write to a file that already exists, it overwrites those bytes, but leaves the remainder. Caught me out a few times.
05:46:57  <mmckegg>I think createReadStream and createWriteStream would be better implemented as individual modules specific for the web fs but can be piped from/to anything that works with node fs streams
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16:23:56  <juliangruber>i'm getting this:
16:23:57  <juliangruber>events.js:0
16:23:57  <juliangruber>(null)
16:23:57  <juliangruber>RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
16:24:04  <juliangruber>does that mean the error is in node core?
16:24:41  <juliangruber>^ trevnorris
16:26:54  <thlorenz>ogd: just signed up for jsfest events. lmk if you need more mentors for either of the nodeschool events - would love to help
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16:30:28  <thlorenz>juliangruber: that looks a bit more like you got some recursion going on in your code
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16:36:32  <thlorenz>juliangruber: weird, maybe a good time to pull out MDB http://www.joyent.com/blog/mdb-and-node-js
16:37:10  <thlorenz>that way you can get a dump when things are crashing and examine what was going on
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18:03:11  <kumavis>having trouble with `tape` - not sure how to correctly write the t.throws test
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18:14:15  <ogd>kumavis: hmm i havent used that in tape before
18:18:49  <toddself>kumavis: what is your uissue?
18:19:07  <toddself>t.throws(function(){ //code that should throw goes in here), "optional message");
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18:19:31  <toddself>t.throws(function(){ throw new Error('I threw!')}, 'it threw');
18:19:53  <toddself>(in other words, it should work exactly as it does in tap)
18:20:07  <kumavis>skip the 'expected' argument then?
18:20:23  <kumavis>guest12214:
18:20:55  <guest12214>heyo
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18:21:21  <toddself>kumavis: what do you mean 'expected'
18:21:22  <kumavis>toddself: i was relaying this question for guest12214
18:21:28  <toddself>ah
18:21:47  <kumavis>toddself: https://github.com/substack/tape#tthrowsfn-expected-msg
18:22:11  <toddself>hmm. i've never bothered with that...
18:22:15  <guest12214>check out codes: http://pastie.org/8752804
18:22:36  <toddself>what happens if you skip the expected argument?
18:23:37  <guest12214>it says 'expected' is blank
18:23:55  <guest12214>so null, i guess. i think it prints out undefined when it is undefined
18:24:15  <guest12214>maybe I'm using the error object wrong
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18:25:07  <toddself>are you trying to compare the error message
18:25:43  <guest12214>Don't really care about the message really. Just want the contructor function to throw an error and fail
18:25:59  <guest12214>not sure if this is the right way to test that
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18:29:21  <toddself>guest12214: https://gist.github.com/toddself/1dd2876d120f86ab2871
18:29:23  <toddself>it is
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18:29:25  <toddself>see my example?
18:29:37  <toddself>the test passes because it threw an error
18:29:42  <toddself>inside the t.throws()
18:31:15  <toddself>guest12214: i think the documentation is wrong w/r/t the "expected"
18:31:40  <toddself>since tap/tape expose the node assert library
18:32:11  <toddself>wait
18:32:11  <toddself>no
18:32:12  <toddself>http://nodejs.org/api/assert.html#assert_assert_throws_block_error_message
18:32:14  <toddself>check that
18:32:53  <toddself>guest12214: checkout the updated gist
18:32:53  <toddself>https://gist.github.com/toddself/1dd2876d120f86ab2871
18:33:02  <toddself>you can force matching on the message from the error thrown
18:33:16  <toddself>check out the docs on nodejs.org that i sent
18:33:42  <guest12214>so I replaced function() { throw new Error() } with --> function() { console.log('nothing') } and as expected, the test fails, but the tap output shows nothing for expected
18:33:54  <guest12214>which is good because it means just the output is broken
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18:41:37  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 50.57.171.229 (dev-ie6-2)
18:41:58  <guest12214>toddself: what version of tape is that on?
18:42:26  <guest12214>not sure if it will make a big deal but i'm on 2.3.2
18:44:17  <toddself>2.4.2
18:44:29  <toddself>it shouldn't though
18:44:36  <guest12214>yeah update doesn't change anything, but i'll keep messing around
18:45:00  <toddself>guest12214: tape and tap both prevent console.log
18:45:03  <toddself>if you want to log something
18:45:05  <toddself>run it with node
18:45:07  <toddself>node test.js
18:45:10  <toddself>rather than tape test.js
18:45:44  <guest12214>good to know. i'm just using the npm test script and it's running with node
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19:12:45  <guest12214>toddself: still not making progress. do you see anything in this that I might be doing obviously wrong? Tried to make it as simple as possible http://pastie.org/8752956
19:13:15  <guest12214>actually even tried removing the if..else and just throwing the error
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19:21:49  <toddself>guew
19:21:51  <toddself>guest12214:
19:21:52  <toddself>yes
19:22:11  <toddself>move the function definition
19:22:16  <toddself>inside t.throws
19:22:30  <toddself>t.throws(function() { new MyCoolObject({}) }, 'threw')
19:22:31  <toddself>and it works
19:22:57  <toddself>why are you assigning the function to a variable and then passing that in?
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19:28:13  <guest12214>toddself: still doesn't work. moving the function out of the t.throws when it was just a function that threw an error worked fine
19:28:27  <toddself>i just got it working
19:28:53  <toddself>when i wrote you
19:28:54  <toddself>i moved it in
19:29:26  <toddself>https://gist.github.com/toddself/e07439fd3a5c63dd625a
19:29:31  <toddself>^ guest12214
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19:31:07  <Raynos>Anyone else heading to oakland tonight ? (https://twitter.com/maxogden/status/436581657928138752)
19:32:02  <guest12214>toddself: ok, that works. The way I'm running my tests is through an index file that cycles through a bunch of test modules and passes the test object in. I guess the problem is in that.
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19:52:22  <guest12214>thanks for the help toddself figured it out. the error was completely unrelated in some other file that was being required
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20:02:43  <thlorenz>anyone know a good place to stay during JSFest (somewhat low budget)
20:03:41  <ogd>thlorenz: substacks house
20:03:52  <thlorenz>ogd: seriously there is space?
20:03:56  <ogd>thlorenz: worth asking
20:04:06  <thlorenz>^ substack what do you think?
20:04:25  <thlorenz>ogd: that'd be awesome :)
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20:15:40  <Raynos>thlorenz: my house ?
20:15:50  <thlorenz>Raynos: that'd be awesome as well :)
20:15:55  <thlorenz>you got space?
20:16:34  <thlorenz>All I need is 6' by 3' (I got this awesome insulation mattress)
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20:18:55  <Raynos>i have a spare bed
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20:19:15  <Raynos>although actually, no this is a bad idea
20:19:19  <Raynos>by parents are around that time
20:19:21  <Raynos>so it wouldnt work
20:19:37  <Raynos>hotel raynos is sold out
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20:21:23  <thlorenz>Raynos: np, thanks for offering anyways
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23:37:56  <guest12214>hey, got some help in here earlier for testing with tape, have another question!
23:38:09  <guest12214>trying to test some asynch stuff and running into issues
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23:43:30  <juliangruber>guest12214: you have better chances if you just post the issue straight away
23:43:48  <guest12214>juliangruber: i was talking to a colleague and i discovered that my problem is that you can't throw errors in a callback
23:44:02  <guest12214>something i did not know. so my question is rendered moot
23:44:03  <juliangruber>yeah
23:44:09  <juliangruber>ok
23:44:25  <juliangruber>in node you only throw in synchronous functions
23:44:40  <juliangruber>and you only try/catch around synchronous functions
23:44:51  <guest12214>interesting
23:44:55  <timoxley>s/node/javascript
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23:45:22  <juliangruber>as long as you don't have generators
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