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00:11:30  <terinjokes>anyone have a recent number for the disk space required for npmjs?
00:11:38  <terinjokes>for a full mirror?
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01:53:09  <defunctzombie>terinjokes: ~40 gb iirc
01:53:10  <defunctzombie>jcrugzz: ^
01:54:33  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: a full fat mirror is ~120gb but if it fails to fetch attachments and has to retry a bunch that number can balloon up
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02:02:34  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: thanks
02:14:16  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: no problem :)
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02:35:25  <defunctzombie>jesus 120gb?
02:40:30  <jcrugzz>defunctzombie: some documents are 1.5gb lol. It's absurd
02:40:37  <defunctzombie>wut
02:40:46  <defunctzombie>what module is 1.5gb
02:40:55  <jcrugzz>Jive-sdk
02:41:18  <jcrugzz>It just has a lot of versions and it's grown quite a bit
02:41:39  <jcrugzz>This is why they need to be split up into one document per version
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02:45:25  <defunctzombie>HOW IS THAT A MODULE?!
02:45:26  <LOUDBOT_>OH FUCK IT WAS REALLY QUIET THERE FOR A SECOND
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02:47:43  <defunctzombie>I think people have confused package registry with "place to put files so others can download them"
02:48:23  <jcrugzz>defunctzombie: it is quite possible
02:53:15  <defunctzombie>I think it is almost certain
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03:37:38  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: i'm a bit of an idiot and forgot i could just ask couchdb for the disk size
03:38:20  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: haha all good :). I look at it daily
03:38:31  <jcrugzz>so i usually know a decent ballpark
03:39:26  <terinjokes>setting up replication for the first time, only screwed up 4 times
03:41:26  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: thats how you learn :). And let me know how the replication works out for you! I've seen it do some real weird things when it gets to the last 33% or so of the B-tree
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03:53:30  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: it seems to have gotten hung up?
03:54:11  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: oh? replicating from fullfatdb.npmjs.com/registry right?
03:54:16  <terinjokes>yea
03:54:27  <terinjokes>gisting
03:55:11  <terinjokes>https://gist.github.com/terinjokes/afe39b23ab5244719ed2
03:55:54  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: shouldn't happen so early from my experience but yea this is one of the reasons i wrote http://blog.nodejitsu.com/sustaining-open-replication-and-scaling-npm/
03:56:09  <jcrugzz>current document model is unsustainable/fullfat can be weird
03:56:18  <jcrugzz>but it hasn't given you any new logs from that?
03:56:21  <jcrugzz>or since that
03:56:26  <terinjokes>nope
03:56:42  <jcrugzz>hmm
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03:58:15  <terinjokes>i can blow away everything and try again
04:00:55  <terinjokes>but it sounds like I'll just get back to where I am?
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04:07:41  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: give it a go
04:07:56  <jcrugzz>might have gotten in a weird state potentially
04:08:00  <jcrugzz>and what version of couch?
04:10:50  <terinjokes>1.5
04:16:00  <terinjokes>hrm, this go around couchdb is complaining about the replicator's access
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04:18:29  <terinjokes>even when i'm providing a user_ctx
04:23:08  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: let me give you an example of the doc i use
04:23:22  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: working now
04:23:29  <jcrugzz>ok awesome
04:23:32  <terinjokes>second time, must have typoed
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04:40:57  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: yeah, got to about the same spot
04:41:14  <terinjokes>doc_count: 13297
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04:49:25  <substack>earthquake?
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04:51:24  <substack>maybe not
04:51:57  <terinjokes>substack: didn't feel one
04:52:01  <terinjokes>and i'm in SOMA
04:52:10  * substackat sudoroom
04:52:33  <substack>there's lots of stuff it could have been though
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04:54:58  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: if I keep trying, does this imply that i'm an idiot?
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04:57:22  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: no, replication SHOULD work. but in general it is kind of broken in the current state xD. I had to go out of my way to get a properly working replica again
04:57:48  <terinjokes>you may continue
04:57:55  <terinjokes>i'm not doing anything else this evening
04:58:46  <jcrugzz>i ended up having to use https://github.com/npm/npm-fullfat-registry to get MOST of the documents into couch (as for some reason it ended up missing some). So if you can get that to the point where you are getting live changes, you should be able to stop that process and hookup normal couchdd replication
04:58:49  <jcrugzz>couchdb*
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04:59:21  <jcrugzz>which is kind of ridiculous IMO, but unfriendly B-trees can do that
05:00:04  <terinjokes>this is silly
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05:02:47  <jcrugzz>yes
05:03:26  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: ill be pushing up the first iteration of the repo to reform npm to be event-sourced tonight
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05:04:00  <terinjokes>and i'll hopefully have a local mirror of npmjs tonight
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05:04:23  <terinjokes>because spending 14 minutes to download dependencies for a deploy is redicious
05:04:39  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: takes 14minutes??
05:04:43  <jcrugzz>where are you located?
05:04:50  <terinjokes>SOMA, San Francisco
05:04:59  <terinjokes>on a fiber connection
05:05:02  <jcrugzz>why so slow?
05:05:03  <jcrugzz>O.O
05:05:42  <terinjokes>i'm not sure
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05:06:56  <jcrugzz>cause that doesn't sound right at all.
05:07:06  <jcrugzz>even when i was in thailand npm wasn't that slow
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05:07:24  <terinjokes>it totally isn't because my ip is rate limited somewhere or something
05:07:58  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: cause if thats the case, replicating over 100gbs isn't going to be fun for them either ;)
05:09:04  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: you know, i'm now egressing from an IP announced from a different block a few racks over and replication is going fine (until i run into the couchdb issue) o.O
05:09:32  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: that is super weird
05:09:39  <jcrugzz>datacenter networking?
05:10:23  <terinjokes>nope
05:10:56  <terinjokes>same error at nearly the exact same spot
05:11:13  <terinjokes>doc_count: 13342 this time
05:11:27  <terinjokes>and sort the same log "** Last message in was {write,<<13,45,140,252,60,242,249,118,69,35,7,115,188,"
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05:17:37  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: hmm I've never seen it just give NO feedback
05:17:47  <jcrugzz>I've seen it give some nasty error logs
05:17:51  <jcrugzz>but just give it a bit
05:18:01  <jcrugzz>usually it gets stuck on a hefty attachment and sometimes has to retry
05:18:24  <jcrugzz>but it shouldn't just give you no feedback unless its just gotten worse since i reformed my own
05:20:18  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.174.105(dev-ie8-2)
05:20:36  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: yeah, dunno
05:20:48  <terinjokes>now it's gotten to the point where it's not even logging anything
05:20:58  <terinjokes>not even the http 200's i'm getting
05:21:15  <terinjokes>i can delete the replicator document and add it again
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05:26:19  <terinjokes>when i try to delete the document, couchdb just drops the connection
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05:27:48  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: O.o
05:27:50  <jcrugzz>wow
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05:31:42  <terinjokes>looking in couch's log, rather than stdout, stderr: https://gist.github.com/terinjokes/9453f9908272d21d1e75
05:33:07  <AvianFlu>ENOSPC means you're out of disk space in most cases
05:33:18  <AvianFlu>which would certainly make replication complicated
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05:35:53  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: there you go. yea make sure you are writing to a good partition on that box
05:42:19  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: this is a good partition
05:42:33  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: it shouldn't be running out of space?
05:43:02  <terinjokes>i have 8% used
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05:57:51  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: i have 8% used, but also hitting quota rules i guess, whoops
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05:58:10  <jcrugzz>quota? O.o
05:58:18  <jcrugzz>need bigger disk on that box?
05:58:26  <jcrugzz>or like wut
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05:58:51  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: no, just hitting a safety mechanism
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05:58:58  <jcrugzz>ohhh
05:59:01  <terinjokes>that i forgot to disable
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07:01:03  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: going better now
07:01:43  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: glad to hear it! Replicate all the things
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17:47:25  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: it gets pretty slow once it's up near the end
17:48:07  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: yes it does. Let me know if you get any interesting logs in the couch log
17:48:23  <terinjokes>i'm up at 53120
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18:05:11  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: yea thats where it starts churning hard fetching attachments
18:05:27  <jcrugzz>ive had it not even complete and just balloon the database size up to 600gb in one of my tests
18:05:40  <jcrugzz>on failures to fetch attachments
18:07:21  <pfraze>does anybody have a good understanding of this nodejitsu "nonprofit npm foundation" thing?
18:07:53  <pfraze>I can't tell if they're coming from a legit place, or if there's a power struggle going on
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18:33:50  <jcrugzz>pfraze: it is coming from a genuine place. If we want npm to stay open and not be reliant on a single force, it is the only way forward imo. Disclosure: I work at nodejitsu and would not be working here if the actions we made did not have a greater purpose
18:34:30  <jcrugzz>there is some obvious tension in the mix but i don't think its anything that cannot be worked out as no one benefits from all this drama
18:34:39  <pfraze>jcrugzz: what are you guys specifically concerned about?
18:35:42  <jcrugzz>pfraze: a big thing is what i outlined here http://blog.nodejitsu.com/sustaining-open-replication-and-scaling-npm/
18:36:57  <jcrugzz>we need to make moves to actually scale the system and reduce instead of increase single points of failure. It is what I'm working on currently
18:37:39  <jcrugzz>which reminds me i need to fix a bug so i can publish the first version of the data model transform module :)
18:41:54  <pfraze>jcrugzz, ok, what's the history between nodejitsu and npm inc on these design decisions? Why the divergence in opinion on how to move forward?
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18:44:04  <jcrugzz>pfraze: i mean there was no talk of design decision when they made theirs. Tarballs were being moved into manta while we were still running the couches for the registry and then they just made a switch over to their service. Blog post was released after that occurred.
18:44:32  <jcrugzz>I did talk to seldo this week, their CTO and we agreed that the event-sourced model will be the better long term solution
18:45:46  <jcrugzz>i just think it is more of a priority sooner so I'm devoting my own time to working on moving in this direction. And all the pieces will be open source of course
18:46:26  <pfraze>jcrugzz, ok, that makes sense. Thanks for answering those questions for me - My first exposure to this was the "attack on publisher freedom" post, followed by the trademark issue, so you can see why it seemed unusual from the outside
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19:00:41  <mikolalysenko>does anyone have any really big 2d polygons?
19:00:51  <mikolalysenko>like 1000s of vertices?
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19:30:14  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: and then i hit a kernel bug
19:30:25  <jcrugzz>thats terrible
19:39:26  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: is there a way to resolve the issue if it balloon upto 600GB
19:39:37  <terinjokes>or do you just have to stop and start over again?
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20:00:07  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: this is why i ended up having to use the full fat daemon thing.
20:00:30  <jcrugzz>i think there is a patch in couchdb that makes this fail less on huge binaries
20:00:37  <jcrugzz>let me see if i can find it
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20:37:35  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: depending if you can install couch from git source. if you patch it with http://cl.ly/code/3H053M173s0L/fast_binary_match.patch it should churn less and allow replication to work
20:37:52  <terinjokes>i'm already building couchdb from source
20:37:52  <jcrugzz>it gets caught up trying to replicate those GB sized docs xD
20:38:01  <terinjokes>but doing it from the 1.5 download, not git sources
20:38:01  <jcrugzz>yea so just apply that git patch
20:38:13  <jcrugzz>yea grab the 1.5 release branch from git
20:38:16  <terinjokes>done
20:38:22  <terinjokes>well, will be done
20:47:19  <rowbit1>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 21]
20:47:41  <terinjokes>jlord: is there a rate at which atom invites replenish?
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21:32:54  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: starting replication again
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21:34:39  <contrahax>anyone know a good module for dealing with the fs.Stats mode attr?
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21:46:04  <kumavis>using tape, if i want to run all my tests in the browser, is there a way to include all tests without individually naming them ?
21:46:54  <ogd>kumavis: you gotta make your tests requireable e.g. https://github.com/rvagg/abstract-leveldown/tree/master/abstract
21:46:58  <ogd>+ https://github.com/maxogden/level.js/blob/master/test.js
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21:47:41  <kumavis>ogs thanks, thats a good example
21:47:50  <kumavis>but it looks like you still need to list them
21:47:55  <kumavis>as you did in test.js
21:48:44  <ogd>kumavis: yea i like to keep things simple e.g. https://github.com/maxogden/dat/blob/master/test/run.js#L11-L18
21:49:17  <kumavis>ok sounds good
21:52:50  <kumavis>ogd why do you export all your tests individually as well?
21:53:19  <ogd>kumavis: more surface area
21:53:49  <kumavis>hmm
21:54:22  <kumavis>thats some abstract reasoning - have you used the individual test calls much?
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21:57:57  <ogd>nope but it doesnt really make my job any harder/easier either way
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22:05:41  <kumavis>sounds reasonable
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22:16:24  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: that patched seems to have done it
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22:17:12  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: glad to hear it
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22:47:19  <rowbit1>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 13]
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22:56:29  <terinjokes>jcrugzz: 61686 now :)
22:56:53  <terinjokes>is there a good stress test for performance, etc?
22:57:30  <jcrugzz>terinjokes: install something like browserify maybe. something with a lot of dependencies
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23:07:35  <terinjokes>is there anything i can do to ensure i have node headers around so that gyp doesn't have to fetch them?
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23:20:21  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.174.105(dev-ie8-2)
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23:24:05  <kumavis>what is a .node file
23:24:20  <kumavis>looks like a binary
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23:32:19  <kumavis>i need a browser-friendly bigint
23:32:55  <kumavis>really all I need is .toBuffer and .fromBuffer for a bigint
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23:47:19  <rowbit1>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 14]
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23:48:51  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: At least 10 people waiting in the queue for free servers! (Waiting: 10)
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