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00:11:48  <marcello3d>anyone know what "Comprehension Error while parsing" means in browserify?
00:12:24  <thlorenz>marcello3d it's cuz esprima 6
00:12:41  <marcello3d>getting it in lunr.js when upgrading from [email protected] to [email protected] (via enchilada)
00:12:42  <thlorenz>it's not stable - I think that got fixed (reverted to esprima for es5)
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00:13:04  <marcello3d>the line it's complaining about has is "for",
00:13:10  <marcello3d>-has
00:13:11  <thlorenz>yeah - I'd downgrade til it fully depends on esprima main version again
00:13:31  <marcello3d>so it seems like esprima is interpreting the string as a keyword?
00:13:50  <thlorenz>esprima 6 just doesn't parse ES5 correctly in all cases
00:13:57  <marcello3d>I see
00:13:57  <thlorenz>i.e. it has bugs atm
00:14:28  <marcello3d>thanks
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00:26:02  <defunctzombie>substack: we need to roll back esprima 6 from browserify I think
00:26:18  <defunctzombie>it seems to have some known es5 parsing bugs
00:26:36  <defunctzombie>and this is worse than the benefit of shipping es6 support for the few using it
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00:27:10  <marcello3d>test cases: var testEsprima = ["for"]; var testEsprima = [1,2,3,"for"];
00:27:43  <marcello3d>first one throws "Unexpected string", second one "Comprehension Error"
00:29:06  <substack>defunctzombie: yes there's an issue for that already
00:29:33  <marcello3d>I don't even... http://code.google.com/p/esprima/issues/list?q=&mode=grid&y=Component&x=Priority&cells=tiles
00:29:47  <defunctzombie>wow
00:30:02  <defunctzombie>substack: doesn't it seem kinda messed up to ship a broken es5 parser tho?
00:30:15  <defunctzombie>marcello3d: I kinda like that view haha
00:30:51  <substack>defunctzombie: https://github.com/substack/node-detective/pull/30
00:32:02  <defunctzombie>substack: doesn't browserify use "mine" now?
00:32:06  <defunctzombie>not detective
00:32:15  <defunctzombie>or maybe that was something else
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00:32:32  <marcello3d>finding nemo plugin? ;)
00:32:59  <defunctzombie>substack: also, any way to avoid ass this parsing that happens? why can't we re-use the ast?
00:33:01  <thlorenz>substack: I assume sudo room is in Oakland right?
00:33:14  <thlorenz>I'm currently in SFO close to the Golden Gate bridge
00:33:15  <substack>thlorenz: yep
00:33:19  <substack>thlorenz: I'm at stanza
00:33:30  <thlorenz>where is that?
00:33:35  <substack>thlorenz: SFO or SF?
00:33:42  <thlorenz>in SFO
00:33:52  <thlorenz>close to where nodeup live will be hosted
00:34:00  <marcello3d>uhhh
00:34:01  <substack>SFO the airport...?
00:34:03  <thlorenz>so SF to be correct ;)
00:34:14  <marcello3d>bay bridge, not golden gate bridge, I hope
00:34:21  <substack>yeah there's nothing near golden gate
00:34:25  <substack>it's just forest
00:34:32  <substack>and old military junk
00:34:54  <marcello3d>nodeup live is on spear st, sort of near the ferry building
00:34:55  <substack>thlorenz: want to meet up at sudo then?
00:35:04  <substack>thlorenz: sudoroom is right near 19th st bart
00:35:11  <thlorenz>substack: after nodeup?
00:35:24  <thlorenz>unless sudoroom is fairly close
00:35:26  <substack>thlorenz: what time does that get out?
00:35:55  <defunctzombie>marcello3d: new version of flux is out
00:35:59  <marcello3d>it's what, a 20-30 minute bart ride?
00:36:10  <marcello3d>from embarcadero?
00:36:17  <substack>thlorenz: anyways I'll be at sudoroom and js night starts around 6:30 or 7
00:36:19  <thlorenz>substack: says it ends before 10 (starts at 7)
00:36:57  <substack>thlorenz: ok well I'll be on irc
00:37:04  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: don't get shot
00:37:09  <substack>I'm staying in the east bay tonight
00:37:33  <thlorenz>substack: that's cool I'll just ping you once I'm heading over
00:37:44  <thlorenz>but as a default I'll head to sudoroom
00:38:22  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: I travelled all of eastern europe with my guitarand slept in the open
00:38:30  <thlorenz>and nothing happened
00:38:33  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: safer than oakland
00:38:33  <substack>thlorenz: ok cool
00:38:40  <thlorenz>so I think I can handle oakland :)
00:39:04  <substack>thlorenz: you can borrow a bike from stanza or sometimes there are bikes at sudo folks can borrow too
00:40:07  <terinjokes>marcello3d: i was going to comment that he was actually in soma, not in the presidio
00:40:19  <thlorenz>substack: awesome! I packed very light so I'm very mobile
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00:40:56  * marcello3dis in soma, too, actually
00:40:56  <substack>thlorenz: trains start running a bit after midnight, but there are late buses too
00:41:30  <marcello3d>on the other side of the highway though
00:41:33  <thlorenz>ah, ok - how far is sudo room from your house?
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00:47:02  <thlorenz>marcello3d: no clue, I just had late lunch at Ramen Underground - highly recommended
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00:49:21  <marcello3d>k
00:49:39  <marcello3d>re: ramen underground: good to know
00:50:30  <marcello3d>now I just need an irc client for my iphone ;)
00:51:00  <marcello3d>defunctzombie: does this zombie bouncer thing support multiple clients to the same username?
00:51:16  <defunctzombie>yea
00:51:18  <defunctzombie>I think so
00:51:24  <marcello3d>wonder how well that works
00:52:06  <defunctzombie>no idea
00:52:10  <defunctzombie>don't use irc in iphone
00:52:13  <defunctzombie>*on
00:52:18  <defunctzombie>will only end in sadness
00:52:19  <defunctzombie>haha
00:52:49  <marcello3d>hmm limechat for iphone is $5
00:53:08  <marcello3d>colloquy is $2, but looks as bad as the os x version
00:53:42  <marcello3d>wow. all the other irc clients are like 1 or fewer stars
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01:02:02  <thlorenz>marcello3d: I think limechat is the only acceptable one
01:02:31  <marcello3d>have you used it on iphone? is it even worth bothering trying to use irc on a phone?
01:02:45  <thlorenz>but with sf beiung covered with wifi you could just open up your laptop real quick
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01:03:25  <thlorenz>marcello3d: haven't tried it yet, but from what I heard none work really good, but limechat is stiil best
01:03:48  <marcello3d>hehe
01:04:16  <marcello3d>my laptop only has about an hour of battery left
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05:46:14  <thlorenz>thlorenz, ok on my way now should be ther in 30-40 mins
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06:24:02  <feross>Good news: the `buffer` module now uses speedy typed arrays in Firefox 30+ thanks to a bugfix from mozilla!
06:24:29  <chrisdickinson>woo!
06:24:47  <feross>relevant bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=952403 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695438
06:34:35  <substack>yay
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07:56:20  <jjjohhny>need some good geojson to play with
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07:58:44  <substack>jjjohhny: https://github.com/maxogden/oakland-boundaries-geojson
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07:58:59  <substack>or this one is a better dataset: https://github.com/substack/oakland-neighborhoods
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15:29:49  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0
15:30:49  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0
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15:39:20  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0
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15:41:37  <Altreus>Anyone active? I'm trying to determine whether it's possible to run node stuff in the browser, perhaps with some way of providing a URI to load modules from
15:43:19  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0
15:44:20  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0
15:45:34  <pkrumins>shiiit
15:45:47  <pkrumins>super bad user experience for browserling users
15:46:47  <pkrumins>Altreus: use browserify
15:47:04  <Altreus>pkrumins: can I do it without a node server at all?
15:47:12  <Altreus>This module seems to be a node module for the sake of it
15:47:13  <pkrumins>yeah
15:47:16  <Altreus>ace
15:47:19  <Altreus>let me check it out
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15:47:20  <pkrumins>it will be node in the browser pretty much
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16:03:58  <Altreus>I passed it on
16:04:07  <Altreus>I have no idea whether she has the competence in JS to actually do it
16:05:50  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/8.0
16:06:56  <pkrumins>nooo
16:07:04  <pkrumins>developers in queue super bad
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18:21:09  <Raynos>rvagg, thlorenz: any plans for the evening ?
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18:37:14  <terinjokes>Raynos: i think thlorenz is doing dhtmlconf and i think there's a special beerjs afterwards
18:37:48  <Raynos>btw there is a #jsfest room
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18:38:23  <terinjokes>wah
18:38:23  <Raynos>terinjokes: cool, I'm in napa atm but im going to hang out for jsfest tonight & all weekend
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19:53:23  <airportyh>defunctzombie: you made a lot of changes to reactive lately?
19:53:29  <defunctzombie>airportyh: yea
19:53:35  <defunctzombie>airportyh: added iteration
19:53:38  <defunctzombie>removed global crap
19:53:42  <defunctzombie>and fixed some things
19:53:44  <airportyh>defunctzombie: adapter option is new?
19:53:47  <defunctzombie>also removed filter stuff
19:53:48  <defunctzombie>yea
19:54:00  <defunctzombie>airportyh: https://github.com/defunctzombie/reactive-bamboo
19:54:03  <defunctzombie>here is an example one
19:54:13  <defunctzombie>reactive also ships with a simple adapter for plain js objects
19:55:35  <airportyh>defunctzombie: plain js objects that are event emitters?
19:55:50  <defunctzombie>airportyh: no
19:55:58  <defunctzombie>airportyh: the builtin one doesn't do anything with the object changing
19:56:11  <defunctzombie>so if you want to support backbone models, etc
19:56:15  <defunctzombie>you need to create an adapter
19:56:31  <airportyh>defunctzombie: so it just doesn't autoupdate the view
19:56:36  <defunctzombie>yea
19:56:39  <airportyh>ok
19:56:59  <defunctzombie>keeps reactive simpler
19:57:01  <airportyh>I am covering it on smalljs
19:57:07  <airportyh>working on the article now
19:57:26  <defunctzombie>cool
19:57:33  <defunctzombie>let me know if you want a proofread or examples
19:57:51  <airportyh>this is my backbone adapter https://gist.github.com/airportyh/9418744
19:58:28  <defunctzombie>yea, looks more or less correct
19:58:33  <defunctzombie>should be a module :)
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19:59:09  <airportyh>oops, forgot the constructor, added it now
19:59:15  <airportyh>yes it should :)
19:59:37  <defunctzombie>reactive-backbone :)
20:00:54  <defunctzombie>and it should have tests :)
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20:36:28  <mikolalysenko>ogd: have you thought about maybe having requirebin save scripts locally instead of on github?
20:36:40  <mikolalysenko>the github saving is pretty slow/error prone
20:37:07  <mikolalysenko>also having people sign in with github to save a script is kind of off putting for beginners
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20:44:21  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 184.106.106.66(dev-ie7-1)
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20:56:01  <substack>isaacs: hooray!
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21:06:33  <airportyh>defunctzombie: seems arbitrary JS in string interpolation isn't working
21:06:55  <defunctzombie>airportyh: I don't think totally arbitrary js is supported
21:07:08  <defunctzombie>airportyh: just a limited subset
21:07:15  <defunctzombie>airportyh: if you send example I can say why
21:07:17  <airportyh>defunctzombie: { name.slice(0, 10) } will return nothing displayed
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21:07:29  <airportyh>defunctzombie: { name || 'Blah' } works though
21:07:51  <airportyh>defunctzombie: the docs has a slice example though https://github.com/component/reactive#interpolation
21:07:57  <defunctzombie>hm.. name.slice(0,10) should work.. tho it might be related to how values are retrieved
21:08:00  <defunctzombie>yea
21:08:13  <defunctzombie>I think it could be considered a bug
21:08:42  <defunctzombie>I think I know how to fix it
21:09:46  <airportyh>defunctzombie: concat (+) between multiple props and string literals work
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21:09:55  <defunctzombie>yea
21:10:00  <defunctzombie>I know why this is happening
21:10:00  <airportyh>defunctzombie: how does this work?
21:10:11  <defunctzombie>has to do with how values are retrieved
21:10:15  <defunctzombie>airportyh: example?
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21:10:23  <airportyh>defunctzombie: doesn't do full js parsing of course. but it knows which props are involved
21:10:36  <defunctzombie>airportyh: yea
21:10:54  <defunctzombie>there is a regex to identify props and function calls
21:10:58  <defunctzombie>versus everything else
21:11:04  <defunctzombie>basically literals or not
21:11:05  <airportyh>defunctzombie: ok
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21:42:24  <marcello3d>defunctzombie: ractive does all that stuff properly ;)
21:42:37  <defunctzombie>heh
21:42:44  <defunctzombie>I thought about it more
21:42:49  <defunctzombie>and I dislike the syntax
21:42:53  <defunctzombie>{#each} and all that
21:42:58  <defunctzombie>much prefer reactive approach
21:43:14  <defunctzombie>marcello3d: also.. ractive is large
21:43:25  <defunctzombie>and has no module system making annoying to work on imo
21:43:36  <marcello3d>it has a module system
21:43:40  <marcello3d>it uses amd
21:43:47  <marcello3d>it does need a lighter-weight runtime though
21:44:06  <marcello3d>it already has separation between the parser and the runtime
21:44:21  <marcello3d>so I bet more could be moved to the parsing stage...maybe even generating JS code
21:44:27  <defunctzombie>well that is cause it does things differently and needs a parser
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22:06:23  <marcello3d>defunctzombie: yours clearly needs a parser, too---you're using regexp for javascript!
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22:06:30  <defunctzombie>marcello3d: haha
22:06:37  <defunctzombie>marcello3d: meh :)
22:06:41  <defunctzombie>seems to be doing alright
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22:07:02  <defunctzombie>marcello3d: does ractive have a full on js parser too?
22:07:16  <defunctzombie>I would be surprised (or maybe not surprised?)
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22:14:04  <defunctzombie>ogd: http://i.imgur.com/sXDYnDe.gif
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22:28:10  <feross>Raynos, thlorenz: i'll be at jsfest too :) see you at dhtmlconf?
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22:28:40  <feross>also, i'll be speaking at evolution of experience because brianloveswords couldn't make it. still need to finish up my talk!
22:29:03  <thlorenz>feross, yes, cool - let's learn about flashrtc today and webrtc later :)
22:29:28  <thlorenz>feross, are you also part of webrtc camp?
22:29:33  <Raynos>feross: I won't be at dhthmlconf but at the node town hall
22:29:52  <feross>thlorenz: i'll be at webrtc camp to help out, but i'm not going to talk or anything
22:30:08  <feross>mostly interesting in meeting people who are interested in p2p stuff
22:30:16  <feross>thlorenz: will you be there?
22:30:29  <feross>Raynos: cool, i'll see you there
22:31:42  <thlorenz>ah, cool can't wait to learn more about webrtc
22:31:47  <thlorenz>feross, so yes
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