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14:32:26  <airportyh>defunctzombie: article is up http://smalljs.org/ui/view/reactive/ but I haven't announced it yet. Let me know what feedback you have.
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14:33:32  <defunctzombie>airportyh: I would start with the simpler example
14:33:40  <defunctzombie>airportyh: no event emitter object, just js object as a model
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14:33:53  <airportyh>defunctzombie: ok
14:33:59  <defunctzombie>airportyh: also, you can just show the "string" creation method
14:34:02  <defunctzombie>to keep it simple
14:34:11  <defunctzombie>instead of the existing element one at first
14:34:38  <defunctzombie>yea, I would first talk about rendering a basic view
14:34:46  <defunctzombie>then I would bring in delegators
14:34:54  <defunctzombie>to show how easy it is to wire up "on-click" events
14:35:16  <defunctzombie>then... I think it makes sense to move into the "backbone" models territory
14:35:25  <defunctzombie>to talk about "reacting" to changes
14:36:09  <defunctzombie>airportyh: you can ignore data-text
14:36:17  <defunctzombie>string interpolation is better for most cases
14:36:23  <defunctzombie>same iwth data-attr
14:36:58  <defunctzombie>airportyh: yea, event bindings should be earlier cause that is something that people want to do/see sonner
14:38:03  <defunctzombie>also, data-replace is an interesting one to mention (much more so than some of the others), it lets you transplant an element in place but keeps the properties like class you specified, I use it to do things like "subviews" sometimes
14:39:26  <airportyh>I thought data-replace was rare, you instantiate a dom element in the model?
14:40:25  <defunctzombie>airportyh: usually in my view class
14:40:39  <defunctzombie>and then use "view.set("prop", element);
14:40:45  <defunctzombie>view being the reactive instance
14:41:08  <airportyh>ok, that eventually goes down to the model adapter, right?
14:41:22  <defunctzombie>yea, I think so
14:41:32  <defunctzombie>tho maybe could add a flag to prevent that
14:42:54  <airportyh>ok, I'll add that
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14:46:25  <airportyh>defunctzombie: regarding "string" creation method, I think most devs write in HTML so may prefer to see an example of that, looks more familiar
14:46:49  <defunctzombie>what do you mean?
14:47:01  <airportyh>defunctzombie: that meaning html in page and the picking out the existing element
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14:47:21  <defunctzombie>oh I see
14:47:38  <defunctzombie>I guess depending on where/how they put their templates on the page
14:47:57  <defunctzombie>I use requires for that but I imagine most don't
14:48:04  <airportyh>defunctzombie: it's definitely not how you would do it in a real app
14:48:10  <defunctzombie>so yea.. whatever is easy/common
14:48:16  <defunctzombie>I think sometimes script tags are used
14:48:20  <defunctzombie>and you can get a string out of those
14:48:49  <airportyh>defunctzombie: right that's an option too. there's the angular method vs the backbone/ember method
14:49:19  <defunctzombie>dunno either of those :)
14:50:13  <airportyh>defunctzombie: :) angular is directly in DOM, backbone/ember is usually in special script tags
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14:51:12  <airportyh>defunctzombie: but in real apps, they typically pull the template from another server request or compile to js
14:51:21  <defunctzombie>I see
14:51:33  <defunctzombie>yea, I compile to js (well, it happens for me)
14:51:39  <defunctzombie>another server request seems silly haha
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16:08:23  <jesusabdullah>When does thlorenz come back to the land of the living?
16:08:47  <terinjokes>jesusabdullah: most of us are still alive
16:09:48  <jesusabdullah>Thorsten isn't alive until we're chillin' in the same office ALRITE
16:11:50  <terinjokes>jesusabdullah: i mean, didn't mean to step on your toes
16:11:53  <terinjokes>:P
16:12:03  <jesusabdullah>lulz
16:12:22  <terinjokes>i have too many regex problems today, so i don't think i'm in the land of the living
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16:29:54  <average>hey pkrumins
16:29:59  <average>yo pkrumins
16:30:02  <average>pkrumins ?
16:34:33  <average>substack: uthere ?
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18:38:09  <Raynos>Anyone familiar with process.stdin
18:38:20  <Raynos>I want do to `x | node-program`
18:38:41  <Raynos>and read both the streaming output of `x` and the terminal input on `node-program`
18:39:40  <mmalecki>Raynos: I think you'd need /dev/tty
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18:48:56  <Raynos>mmalecki: what's /dev/tty ? and can i do this cross platform on linux & windows ?
18:50:38  <creationix>can you pipe on windows?
18:52:07  <mmalecki>Raynos: I'm not sure about Windows. /dev/tty is a device which some tools use to read stdin when reading passwords
18:52:11  <mmalecki>for example openssl
18:52:27  <Raynos>cool
18:52:34  <Raynos>creationix: good question :p
18:52:36  <mmalecki>I'm not sure if you can differentiate between pipe input and user input
18:52:38  <Raynos>Maybe
18:53:09  <Raynos>creationix: I'm writing a terminal pager in node so i can use it cross platform for cli documentation & workshopper
18:53:28  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 184.106.106.66 (dev-ie7-1)
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18:58:22  <creationix>I'm pretty sure that in linux at least, if you pipe to a process, it can't see tty data through stdin
18:58:25  <creationix>but less and more do it somehow
18:58:31  <creationix>maybe read their C source?
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19:56:54  <pkrumins>woow
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20:45:59  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0
20:47:19  <rowbit1>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 194, free: 29]
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20:58:29  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/9.0
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21:04:59  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 162.242.164.84 (dev-ie11-1)
21:06:20  <isaacs>defunctzombie: pong
21:10:17  <rook2pawn>is there a way to run node tap with grunt ?
21:11:06  <rook2pawn>i see thiings like grunt-simple-mocha and wondering if a smiliar adapter has to be made or already exists
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21:22:25  <substack>rook2pawn: why do you need a library to do that?
21:22:32  * substackhas no idea what grunt is about
21:28:20  <rook2pawn>at my new work we use grunt, which is basically a bash script / makefile
21:28:47  <rook2pawn>not my choice!
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21:45:41  <marcello3d>rook2pawn: you could probably just spawn a tap instance. or call the tap api directly from grunt
21:45:54  <marcello3d>or use npm test...?
21:46:46  <guybrush>just make a scripts:{grunt:'npm test'} :D
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21:47:12  <marcello3d>I see what you did there ;D
21:47:19  <rowbit1>Hourly usage stats: [free: 3]
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22:14:15  <defunctzombie>isaacs: I again published and tried using the "--tag=" flag but it stomped on my latest yet again
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22:23:08  <pfraze>does anybody know if http2 is intended to be full-duplex?
22:23:57  <pfraze>I'm looking through the spec, and they define streams as bidirectional (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-04#section-1.2) so I'm inclined to say yes
22:24:27  <pfraze>but you can call half-duplex streams bi-directional, so I'm not sure
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22:27:29  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/9.0
22:29:30  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for firefox/24.0
22:29:30  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/9.0
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22:36:29  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 50.56.32.168 (dev4)
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23:32:02  <ogd>hij1nx: why is leveldb.org not a static site?
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23:45:11  <ogd>groundwater: if you wanna hang with me and rvagg and eugeneware in east bay you should come to downtown oakland! we're gonna eat food and hack
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23:47:35  <groundwater>ogd i can swing by after work
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