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01:35:42  <dominictarr>hmm - just thinking about css style inheritence
01:36:25  <dominictarr>has anyone ever made a language where instead of adding extending things by hanging them off a prototype or subclass
01:36:40  <dominictarr>instead you just specified modifications like in css?
01:37:16  <dominictarr>it would be kinda like monkey patching everything, but declaring the objects to be patched with selectors
01:37:36  <jjjohhny>dominictarr: i love CSS
01:37:56  <jjjohhny>but i also hate it
01:38:05  <jjjohhny>thats that ambivalence
01:38:41  <jjjohhny>neat idea, as alternative to inheritance
01:38:49  <dominictarr>you could do things like Element > Array > Object (it) { assert (it.id) }
01:39:10  <jjjohhny>i never do inheritance any more, cuz everything I need is already an object
01:39:17  <dominictarr>to assert that everything inside an array inside element must have an id property
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01:39:56  <dominictarr>jjjohhny, that doesn't mean you aren't doing inheritance. you are probably still doing it, but informally.
01:40:40  <dominictarr>the nice thing about css style inheritence is that you do not have to have control of the thing to change
01:41:24  <jjjohhny>it speaks to level i tend to code atwhat would happen if the assert id fails?
01:41:46  <jjjohhny>split
01:41:47  <dominictarr>the program would crash
01:41:56  <jjjohhny>thats not very CSS
01:42:14  <jjjohhny>the right answer is, you would be at pains to understand or know what happened
01:42:31  <dominictarr>yeah - or where in the code that behavior was added
01:42:48  <dominictarr>that is the problem with monkey patches.
01:45:17  <dominictarr>but, if it's really such a good idea to style things that way, why shouldn't it be a good idea to extend objects in a programming language that way?
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01:47:23  <jjjohhny>dominictarr: possibly b/c as the needs of the language become more complex, that style breaks down?
01:47:48  <jjjohhny>or, what is keeping CSS frmo having real function, iterators, etc
01:48:55  <jjjohhny>like, im pretty sure that 'translateX(200px)' is not a function, but a declaration written in the style of a function
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01:51:00  <jjjohhny>that would be weird wouldnt it?
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02:04:27  <dominictarr>jjjohhny, maybe the reason is just that no body has tried to make a CSS-like programming language
02:05:32  <jjjohhny>dominictarr: maybe it is more interesting to analyze why interators and such are not needed
02:06:01  <jjjohhny>CSS is a programming language that is sort of fed a really important part of what makes it do its thing
02:06:51  <jjjohhny>div.class > img {} is actually an iterator
02:07:39  <jjjohhny>because the html provides the structure
02:09:38  <jjjohhny>interesting that CSS and HTML work together, where otherwise programming languages rely on APIs to bridge twixt each other
02:10:08  <jjjohhny>other languages are not really meant to be combined with another one
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02:12:02  <jjjohhny>CSS is nothing by itself. it is the monkey patch.
02:12:28  <dominictarr>yeah - but what if you could add functions to things with css?
02:12:47  <dominictarr>oh - that is like if JQUERY was a language
02:13:10  <jjjohhny>would those function need to be defined in CSS or in the lingo of the "other"
02:13:28  <dominictarr>jjjohhny, this is a totally new language we are talking about
02:13:41  <dominictarr>a cascading-sheet langage
02:13:55  <jjjohhny>somebody take a picture of this moment!
02:14:23  <dominictarr>it's probably a terrible idea, but question is: exactly how terrible?
02:14:49  <jjjohhny>i dont think so, the idea of interoperating languages is probably not well treated yet
02:15:09  <jjjohhny>what if CSSLike could operate on ANY language
02:15:59  <jjjohhny>no, better to think about actual symbiosis
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02:18:25  <jjjohhny>it would be pretty easy to make CSS and JS monkeypatch, but I dont see whatfor
02:19:10  <jjjohhny>stream.readable { font-size: 16px }
02:21:37  <jjjohhny>obj.stream > * { end : false }
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02:24:40  <jjjohhny>actually, it is the declaration and indentification of known objects that make CSS/HTML, and imo, JS come together
02:27:12  <jjjohhny>stream.stackVM:read { content: url(...) }
02:28:11  <jjjohhny>div#module:listening { color: green }
02:29:26  <jjjohhny>worker.process:fork { background-repeat: process.cores } :D
02:29:57  <jjjohhny>come on, everybody play!
02:31:02  <jjjohhny>utils.merge [].prototype { return: null, alert: 'fuck with my app!' }
02:35:04  <jjjohhny>basically you defined behaviours in JS land and then you can declare them
02:35:14  <jjjohhny>dominictarr: does this stink of smell?
02:37:26  <dominictarr>jjjohhny, it seems like a bad idea, but javascript has a funny way of bad ideas turning out to be good ideas.
02:39:12  <jjjohhny>configuration could be the ultimate goal, but only when configuration can handle every possible expression
02:43:38  <dominictarr>relocating...
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05:12:26  <ogd>substack: github says "cname already taken: browserify.org"
05:12:38  <ogd>substack: do you know if you ever created a CNAME file with browserify.org in it for another repo once?
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05:16:17  <substack>ogd: I have no idea
05:17:08  <ogd>substack: oh it was me
05:17:14  <ogd>substack: cause i had a cname file on my fork haha
05:17:28  <ogd>substack: i deleted my fork and jessica had github do a gh-pages rebuild and now its up http://substack.github.io/browserify-website/
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05:27:57  <ogd>substack: im getting the new browserify website for browserify.org now, but every few refreshes i get the old one (dns issue probs)
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05:36:44  <ogd>substack: can you add this line of css to the browserify website: #install .code { background-color: white; }
05:37:19  <substack>ogd: sure
05:38:10  <substack>ok done
05:38:14  <ogd>w00t
05:38:26  <ogd>substack: cool it shows up on browserify.org for me already
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05:41:26  <substack>ogd: you can push directly to the repo now
05:43:30  <ogd>substack: w00t
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06:21:26  <brianloveswords>substack: are your travels gonna bring you to NYC anytime? I've had to cancel both of my west coast trips so far this year :(
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06:22:46  <brianloveswords>I'm still trying to find an opportunity to make it out there to visit you and ogd though!
06:22:53  <substack>brianloveswords: not anything in NYC so far
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06:35:00  <substack>ogd: figured out the dns issues
06:35:08  <substack>it will probably take a bit more to propagate though
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06:36:24  <substack>http://substack.github.io/browserify-website/
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09:36:19  <terinjokes>oh wow. i got quoted
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10:38:59  <greweb>substack: nice design ;)
10:42:13  <terinjokes>substack: so, trying to figure this one out. is the wizard using my quote as a magic spell? is the wizard trying to deflect my quote with a magic spell? is he simply just trying to push my quote off the page?
10:46:28  <greweb>:D
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14:34:48  <Kessler>@juliangruber here ?
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14:37:36  <juliangruber>Kessler hey!
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16:17:44  <ogd>rvagg: have you gone through https://gist.github.com/chrisdickinson/821359fb8d95570ab22a ? makes me think we need a workshopper mode that blends the solution and the problem statement, instead of printing out the whole problem statement into the terminal
16:21:30  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/7.0
16:22:01  <hackygolucky_>ogd: also, ascii art as part of your treat for solving it +1
16:22:03  <hackygolucky_>:D
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16:26:32  <defunctzombie>substack: ogd: digging the new site, suggestion tho
16:26:43  <defunctzombie>"Browsers don't have the require method defined, but Node.js does."
16:27:11  <defunctzombie>maybe avoid talking about "node.js" and focus more on modules and how browserify provides the require function call and looks up your dependencies for you?
16:27:23  <defunctzombie>worded better of course
16:28:02  <defunctzombie>but something along those lines.. how you control your deps and how the tool automatically finds the relevant local files or modules
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16:48:18  <rook2pawn>argh... travis doesn't have anything like a 'display my position in the queue'
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17:18:52  <rook2pawn>if only testling did travis type stuff too !� (or am i mistaken?)
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17:55:55  <rook2pawn>what oh.. crypto
17:56:53  <Kessler>@juliangruber could you take a look at https://github.com/segmentio/pg-escape/pull/2 ?
17:56:54  <rook2pawn>they're so on top of it..
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18:11:01  <juliangruber>Kessler: tj is most qualified to look at it, i haven't looked into that stuff yet
18:11:26  <Kessler>@juliangruber what is the best way to reach him ?
18:12:32  <juliangruber>Kessler: newline after line 66, less newlines in exports.dollarQuotedStrings, >80 chars in line 53, missing docs for random(start, end), line 51 missing "*"
18:12:55  <Kessler>@juliangruber gotcha :)
18:13:17  <juliangruber>Kessler: :) that's the only thing i can help you with this time
18:13:19  <Kessler>@juliangruber how did you produce this feedback so quickly ? :)
18:13:39  <juliangruber>Kessler: i looked at that code and know tj's style well
18:13:56  <Kessler>@juliangruber sharp eyes! thanks man.
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18:14:40  <juliangruber>Kessler: some say it's because i'm german :P
18:14:53  <Kessler>@juliangruber HAHA! :)
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18:59:59  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: any pointers on how I can add localtunnel functionality to appup?
19:00:29  <thlorenz>I'd like to do the same that zuul does, except that I use the server provided by appup
19:00:47  <thlorenz>that would allow manually testing the app, i.e. to check styles etc.
19:00:56  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: not familiar with appup
19:01:06  <defunctzombie>what do you mean by "add localtunnel functionality" ?
19:01:27  <thlorenz>I'd like to say something like ./appup --tunnel
19:01:39  <thlorenz>and have it spit out a url to paste into saucelabs
19:01:44  <thlorenz>exactly like zuul does
19:02:04  <thlorenz>that would then connect to the express server that was launched by appup
19:02:07  <defunctzombie>well, the localtunnel api is pretty simple
19:02:28  <defunctzombie>you just give it a local port
19:02:31  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: ah, so just use localtunnel directly, spit out a url and log that out -- that's it?
19:02:33  <defunctzombie>and it will give you a url
19:02:36  <defunctzombie>yep
19:02:41  <defunctzombie>https://github.com/defunctzombie/localtunnel#localtunnelport-opts-fn
19:03:22  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: thanks
19:03:30  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 184.106.106.46(dev-ie8-1)
19:03:47  <thlorenz>it just seemed too easy and I saw zuul has a saucelabbrowser thing, so I wasn't sure if I had to do extra stuff
19:04:09  <defunctzombie>nope
19:04:16  <defunctzombie>all that extra stuff is for saucelabs
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19:04:21  <defunctzombie>and webdriver testing
19:04:27  <defunctzombie>the tunnel part itself is really simple
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19:06:14  <thlorenz>cool so that is all I need and I can just paste into saucelabs and play with my app right?
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19:13:23  <defunctzombie>yep
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19:14:14  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: thanks, just tried with lt directly and it works literally like a charm - looking at our site in IE8 right now (ouch)
19:14:23  <defunctzombie>hahaha
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19:25:45  <ogd>any mac peeps wanna see if these instructions for building a mac app container for this module works? https://github.com/maxogden/ssid-checkin/tree/master/app
19:25:52  <ogd>(see the ../readme.md as well)
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19:30:42  <ogd>oh just found a bug where it doesnt read environment variables
19:31:46  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: testling server safari6 (osx, browserling1 user) is down!
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19:39:22  <defunctzombie>oh noes... not the safari!!
19:41:47  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: testling server iphone6, ipad6 (osx, browserling1 user) is down!
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19:51:01  <groundwater>ogd: created a digital ocean machine
19:51:10  <groundwater>you're a create salesman
19:51:16  <groundwater>s/create/great
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20:51:36  <ogd>groundwater: :D
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20:59:15  <substack>ogd: http://substack.net/images/wizard.png
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21:13:18  <ogd>substack: ahahaha
21:13:28  <ogd>substack: the energy ball thingy is a bundle
21:18:17  <substack>ogd: check it out on browserify.org
21:18:26  <substack>responsive fireball
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21:18:45  <mikolalysenko>hadouken!
21:20:11  <mikolalysenko>also, does anyone here have recommendations for presentation libraries/frameworks/whatever for js?
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21:24:38  <ogd>mikolalysenko: i like voxel.js for that :) http://maxogden.github.io/slides/webrebels/index.html
21:24:55  <ogd>mikolalysenko: or 'big' http://maxogden.github.io/slides/empirejs/
21:25:44  <rch>ogd: voxel for slides? trying to understand webrebels
21:27:15  <ogd>yep
21:27:39  <ogd>substack: you should use `background-size` to make the wizard fit at the different responsive settings
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21:28:20  <mikolalysenko>haha, I think I would like to go with something a bit more conventional
21:28:21  <ogd>substack: e.g. response-size: 300px fits for the big one, 225px for middle, 150px for small
21:28:24  <mikolalysenko>but that is pretty cool
21:28:49  <ogd>mikolalysenko: you really should make a 3d presentation, conventional slides are boring
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21:29:13  <mikolalysenko>well, I have some ideas for animations I want to do
21:29:26  <mikolalysenko>I just want something to handle the whole paging/input/general stuff for me
21:29:31  <rch>heh default action for clicking on a slide -> delete it
21:29:37  <mikolalysenko>like press right, go to next slide, etc.
21:30:05  <mikolalysenko>I mean I could use beamer and be boring, but I want to embed some js demo into the slide
21:30:18  <ogd>rch: it opens a page in a popup when you click a voxel
21:30:32  <mikolalysenko>so I figure doing it in javascript would be nice, and might even be a useful skill for future presentations
21:30:33  <rch>hmmmm wonder what i'm doing wrong
21:30:46  <rch>maybe i'm in voxel edit mode or something
21:30:49  <ogd>rch: probably not looking at the blocked popup icon in the top right corner of chrome
21:30:53  <ogd>:P
21:30:54  <gildean>rch: blocking popups
21:32:56  <rch>got me
21:33:06  <rch>ok pretty sweet
21:33:10  <mikolalysenko>I might try using reveal.js, but was hoping for something a little more browserify friendly
21:33:52  <terinjokes>mikolalysenko: i recommend a bunch of files
21:34:36  <terinjokes>numbered, with leading zeros, that you open with "vim *.js" and you use ":bn" to move forward
21:35:02  <terinjokes>can confirm, is browserify compatible (and most of neovim works too!)
21:35:08  <gildean>terinjokes: that's ugly tho'
21:35:14  <mikolalysenko>yeah...
21:35:23  <mikolalysenko>I want to make some canvas/webgl animations though
21:35:27  <terinjokes>then pick better fonts?
21:35:46  <mikolalysenko>so just vim-ing files is not really what I want
21:35:48  <terinjokes>and obviously "/sarcasm", but works if your demo is mostly about the code
21:36:24  <terinjokes>i've used reveal.js or google docs previously. use the tool that works until you need to rewrite the tool
21:36:35  <terinjokes>i haven't needed my presentations to be browserified
21:36:51  <mikolalysenko>I think reveal.js can work with browserify, or at least it looks feasible
21:38:08  <chrisdickinson>i keynote and/or vim; but mostly out of "not wanting to accidentally spend time hacking on presentation software"
21:39:14  <mikolalysenko>yeah, I usually just use beamer but that is mainly because of familiarity
21:39:30  <mikolalysenko>but all beamer presentations end up looking kind of the same
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22:09:37  <ogd>substack: can you make the wizards pants purple?
22:09:42  <ogd>substack: or brown
22:10:01  <nexxy>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_81l4DXlwM
22:10:15  <ogd>haha
22:10:25  <nexxy>IT'S JUST A
22:10:25  <LOUDBOT>I WOULD FUCK MEGUMI IN A HEARTBEAT, GOD THOSE PIGTAILS LOOK LIKE HANDLE BARS
22:10:27  <nexxy>MAD PAIR OF PANTS
22:10:27  <LOUDBOT>HOW DID THEY KNOW MY AUNT PEARL HAS ALZHEIMERS
22:10:42  <nexxy>wow, LOUDBOT
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22:46:31  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.56.32.168(dev4)
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22:55:56  <ogd>substack: i fixed the wizard pants/responsiveness
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22:59:23  <pkrumins>ogd: nice!
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23:11:13  <othiym23>smh, LOUDBOT
23:11:15  <othiym23>inapprop
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23:42:55  <substack>ogd: the colors look kind of off now
23:44:49  <ogd>substack: one sec
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23:48:15  <ogd>substack: https://github.com/substack/browserify-website/pull/15 :D
23:48:40  <substack>yeah
23:49:08  <substack>so much better
23:50:16  <ogd>substack: do the yellow code blocks look okay on your screen
23:50:33  <ogd>substack: the orange looked too intense before, so i lightened it a bit
23:50:56  <substack>looks fine
23:51:44  <ogd>substack: i like the browserify graphical logo under the hat
23:51:51  <ogd>substack: it is as if it is wearing the hat
23:55:15  <ogd>substack: oh we need a favicon.ico of the hat
23:55:18  <ogd>substack: ill maek it
23:56:21  <substack>cool
23:56:33  <substack>the svg is http://substack.net/images/wizard_hat.svg
23:56:40  <substack>oh but blue
23:57:32  <ogd>oh i made a brown one, oh well
23:57:44  <substack>works
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