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01:09:43  <Raynos>hello stackvmers
01:09:46  <Raynos>I am writing documentation
01:09:59  <Raynos>and I am writing `execCallback(cmd, options?, function (err, stdout) {})` as what my function looks like
01:10:09  <Raynos>What is the best way to make it obvouis that options argument is optional
01:10:19  <substack>options={}
01:10:23  <Raynos>cc substack, dominictarr ^^
01:10:27  <Raynos>oh good idea!
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04:27:06  <mikolalysenko>this seems to be working well enough now: https://github.com/mikolalysenko/vectorize-text
04:27:24  <mikolalysenko>also made this thing along the way: https://github.com/mikolalysenko/simplify-2d-complex
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07:31:51  <jjjohnny>anybot here play chess?
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17:07:29  <jesusabdullah>Question: What resources would you give someone that wanted to learn front-end javascript?
17:09:39  <mikolalysenko>how much programming do they know?
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17:19:46  <shama>jesusabdullah: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/
17:20:10  <jesusabdullah>shama: oh yeah, all over mdn
17:20:24  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: Comfortable with the fundamentals, wants to figure out what to DO with it
17:20:38  <jjjohnny>mikolalysenko: maybe I need a cut function too? to occasionally shift half of the array?
17:21:00  <jjjohnny>shuffle.shuffle.shuffle.cut.shuffle.shuffle
17:21:16  <jjjohnny>pkrumins: we gotta play chess some time
17:21:19  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: so, like, ramping up through doing some basic jquery shit up to "uses browserify, will do an ember app for food"
17:21:38  <jjjohnny>pkrumins: on my chess site http://chessfoo.com
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17:22:16  <jjjohnny>mikolalysenko: how would one test for biasing in randomization?
17:22:17  <shama>jesusabdullah: I havent found anything better than the guides on MDN for generic front-end js. Unless they're looking for something very specific, like "How do I play videos?" or "How do I make games?"
17:22:36  <jjjohnny>jesusabdullah: it's impossible
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17:24:31  <mikolalysenko>jjjohnny: the issue is that if you have some bias in the permutation, then it could be amplified by repeating the map
17:24:40  <mikolalysenko>for example, say you want to permute 2 symbols [0,1]
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17:24:50  <mikolalysenko>there are two permutations here, [0,1] and [1,0]
17:25:25  <mikolalysenko>and suppose that it is maybe 0.55 prob of getting [0,1] and 0.45 prob of getting [1,0]
17:26:20  <mikolalysenko>hmm
17:26:27  <mikolalysenko>actually I just realized this example doesn't work
17:26:50  <jjjohnny>johnny 1, maths 0
17:27:08  <mikolalysenko>haha
17:27:11  <mikolalysenko>you win this time!
17:27:24  <mikolalysenko>but it is true that you can end up amplifying the bias, just not in this case
17:27:46  <jjjohnny>it'd be neat to test out the bias of random in JS
17:27:48  <mikolalysenko>I would need to think a bit longer to construct a good example
17:28:25  <mikolalysenko>here is a wiki page that might help understand this a bit better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher%E2%80%93Yates_shuffle
17:30:12  <jjjohnny>also, i bet it would only require the smallest input, as a parameter, to unbias
17:30:23  <jjjohnny>like, input from the user (cut the deck)
17:30:37  <mikolalysenko>or you can use fisher yates to shuffle the array
17:30:48  <jjjohnny>yeah thats neat
17:30:50  <mikolalysenko>which takes only O(n) instead of possibly O(n log(n)) like .sort
17:31:01  <jjjohnny>hm
17:31:07  <mikolalysenko>that page also goes into the details of why other shuffle algorithms don't quite work
17:31:23  <mikolalysenko>it is worth reading I think, since it is a neat and somewhat counterintuitive result
17:32:51  <jjjohnny>will do. so simple too
17:33:01  <mikolalysenko>yeah, in particular check out this section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher%E2%80%93Yates_shuffle#Comparison_with_other_shuffling_algorithms
17:33:19  <mikolalysenko>it is also easy to see why the fisher-yates algorithm is correct
17:33:28  <mikolalysenko>since it uniformly selects one of n! possible permutations
17:33:47  <mikolalysenko>analyzing why various broken shuffles don't work though is much harder to do
17:36:57  <mikolalysenko>jjjohnny: hmm, actually you are right about repeated application of biased shuffles converging to a uniform distribution
17:37:14  <mikolalysenko>well, assuming that the probability of any given permutation being selected is > 0
17:38:31  <mikolalysenko>this can be proved using the pigeonhole principle
17:40:56  <mikolalysenko>jesusabdullah: I think if they understand jquery, they can just mentally replace the "$(blah)" -> "document.querySelectorAll(blay)"
17:40:58  <jjjohnny>i used a similar method to the fishcer-yates to ranomize my chessboard for fischer-random chess
17:41:16  <jjjohnny>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess960_starting_position#Polyhedral_dice_method
17:41:45  <jjjohnny>which variation can be played at chessfoo.com
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18:06:18  <mikolalysenko>it feels like the older I get the more I resent writing c++
18:06:29  <mikolalysenko>I think this is an unhealthy emotion
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18:08:28  <mikolalysenko>and the worst parts of the language are in many ways the most trivial things
18:08:48  <mikolalysenko>like splitting every module into a .c/.h file, the awful build tools, the slow compiling, and obtuse error messages
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21:02:21  <defunctzombie>airportyh: pong
21:03:02  <airportyh>defunctzombie: can I make the tester just mixin the results to the modules collection instead of creating a Result?
21:03:33  <airportyh>defunctzombie: that way I don't have to write a separate thing to mixin the results later
21:03:50  <airportyh>defunctzombie: well the main thing is I would have to wait for the jobs to finish
21:04:32  <defunctzombie>so I was gonna change around some of the collection names
21:04:44  <defunctzombie>specificially I was gonna make jobs actually the results
21:04:51  <defunctzombie>for each module/version run
21:05:07  <defunctzombie>and then change to whatever jobs is now to be called "queue" or something
21:05:28  <defunctzombie>airportyh: you can change it to suit your needs, but I think it is useful to have a collection of just the jobs run and their results
21:05:42  <defunctzombie>the modules collection is separate, it is more metadata like
21:05:48  <defunctzombie>airportyh: you can make the tester update both for now
21:05:56  <defunctzombie>we just gotta get something going
21:06:01  <defunctzombie>and then tweak the dials after
21:06:52  <airportyh>useful for diagnose later?
21:07:43  <airportyh>yeah lets just do both
21:08:11  <defunctzombie>I also want to switch the tester over to actually grabbing the npm module
21:08:14  <airportyh>how to setup saucelabs/webdriver stuff to run? I guess I'l lneed an acount
21:08:15  <defunctzombie>not the repo
21:08:20  <defunctzombie>yep
21:08:23  <defunctzombie>get a free account
21:08:26  <airportyh>although I am content right now just runing the browserify stuff
21:08:51  <airportyh>can I just turn queue's concurrency up to get more throughput?
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21:11:45  <defunctzombie>airportyh: yea
21:11:54  <defunctzombie>airportyh: should be able to just change a number
21:12:12  <airportyh>cool
21:12:15  <defunctzombie>my todo list has an item to make the launcher have more arguments
21:12:20  <defunctzombie>so you can tweak things like that
21:12:33  <defunctzombie>and to also split up the "tester" from the downloader
21:12:47  <defunctzombie>so you can just run the tester on any project on your system
21:14:43  <defunctzombie>airportyh: I am gonna create a wiki on the "www" repo which will be the main wiki describing the system and how it communicates, what the collections do etc.
21:14:56  <defunctzombie>the architecture to some degree
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21:16:44  <airportyh>defunctzombie: ok, I'll also need to document what I've been doing :)
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21:17:28  <airportyh>defunctzombie: for my stuff, you should be able to clone the aggregator repo
21:17:32  <airportyh>npm install
21:17:41  <defunctzombie>what does the aggregator do?
21:17:44  <airportyh>and then be able to `bin/search <keyword>`
21:17:52  <airportyh>to try out the search engine
21:17:54  <defunctzombie>oh I see
21:18:03  <defunctzombie>how does it know what database?
21:18:07  <defunctzombie>did you hard code that? :(
21:18:09  <airportyh>oh...
21:18:12  <airportyh>db.json
21:18:21  <airportyh>should be {"url": "..."}
21:18:25  <defunctzombie>k
21:18:58  <airportyh>and… github.json should have "username" and "password", but you don't need that for just searching
21:19:36  <airportyh>currently there are 1537 modules in db.modules
21:19:54  <defunctzombie>what is github.json for?
21:20:02  <airportyh>github credentials
21:20:12  <defunctzombie>yea.. for what?
21:20:15  <airportyh>at one point I *did* run against rate limiting
21:20:28  <airportyh>and authenticating gave me a higher limit
21:20:51  <defunctzombie>ah
21:20:54  <airportyh>for github api getting github stars, forks and watcher counts
21:21:12  <defunctzombie>isn't that stuff put into the db?
21:21:29  <airportyh>they are now
21:21:35  <defunctzombie>search should just be hitting out db right?
21:21:39  <defunctzombie>*our
21:21:43  <airportyh>correct
21:21:46  <defunctzombie>k
21:21:46  <rowbit1>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 9, free: 24]
21:21:52  <defunctzombie>so that is if I want to populate the db?
21:22:19  <airportyh>I also had code that handle moved repo
21:22:38  <airportyh>like when you renamed your github handle for example
21:22:52  <airportyh>it can handle that
21:24:00  <airportyh>currently gets info from github api, package.json from github, npm metadata api, and npm module page to scrape the popularity info
21:25:12  <defunctzombie>shouldn't search be separated out into a module?
21:25:25  <airportyh>yeah, will do that
21:26:05  <airportyh>defunctzombie: how to configure zuul for saucelabs?
21:26:13  <defunctzombie>airportyh: see the zuul wiki
21:27:08  <airportyh>.zuulrc?
21:27:28  <defunctzombie>yea
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21:27:35  <airportyh>ok cool
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21:39:46  <defunctzombie>airportyh: I am gonna clean up the tester stuff a bit and launch it on a DO worker box
21:40:01  <defunctzombie>airportyh: remember to change your collection from "jobs" to "queue" for the worker queue
21:40:16  <defunctzombie>and "jobs" will now be what use to be called "results"
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21:56:41  <ogd>airportyh: hey what are you working on these days?
21:56:45  <ogd>airportyh: and will you be at nodeconf?
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