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00:53:46  <dominic_>ATTENTION STACKVM! WE MUST PREPARE FOR AN EXPEDITION TO CASSINI
00:53:46  <LOUDBOT>INTERGALATIC APARTHEID YOU GUYS
00:53:47  <dominic_>https://twitter.com/CassiniSaturn/status/455845397395546112/photo/1/large
00:53:56  <dominic_>LOUDBOT YOU TOO
00:53:57  <LOUDBOT>YOU COULD EVEN SAY SHE'S SWEET TO ME
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00:54:15  <substack>haha yes
00:54:37  <dominic_>WE'LL NEED YOUR IRREVERANT HUMOR TO KEEP US FROM MURDERING EACH OTHER ON THE LONG SPACE VOYAGE
00:54:37  <LOUDBOT>OF COURSE IT IS AWESOME, IT IS IN AUSTRIA
00:54:45  <substack>dominic_: http://lebron.technology/
00:55:38  <dominic_>substack: damn straight
00:56:52  <dominic_>obviously there is gonna be a cache of alien modules in the center of that hexagon, and possibly also an outpost of the alien race that ryan dahl is from.
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01:30:24  <jesusabdullah>http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/231e4m/julie_pagano_its_dangerous_to_go_alone_battling/ I wonder why this is doing so shitty on reddit
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01:44:23  <jesusabdullah>ahahahaha
01:44:29  <jesusabdullah>substack did you buy that who the fuck bought that
01:44:46  <jesusabdullah>the marketing's unstoppable
01:45:32  <jesusabdullah>substack: seriously where the hell did lebron.technology come from it is amazing
01:46:05  <jesusabdullah>ogd: you are my motherfucking hero. LeBroN stack 4 lyfe.
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02:01:40  <mikeal>jlord: you around?
02:01:45  <mikeal>i'm trying to use sheetsee
02:02:02  <mikeal>the GET for my spreadsheet is giving me a 400 response
02:02:15  <mikeal>i made it publicly viewable (not editable)
02:05:59  <ogd>mikeal: make sure you're not using "new spreadsheets" is what jlord says
02:06:35  <ogd>mikeal: also make sure you do both viewable and "publish to the web"
02:08:04  <mikeal>what is "new spreadsheets"
02:09:38  <mikeal>i literally copied the spreadsheet for node school events
02:10:59  <mikeal>ya, i did viewable and publish to the web
02:11:38  <mikeal>ogd: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgOubEckSqTEdGJRbHg4cFJyM0NweUxySmJkLUhGblE&usp=drive_web#gid=0
02:11:50  <mikeal>can you/she tell me if that is using new spreadsheets?
02:12:11  <ogd>Its old. New one has plural spreadsheets in URL
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02:13:20  <mikeal>ok
02:13:21  <mikeal>wtf
02:13:22  <ogd>Google is beta testing a backwards incompatible spreadsheet right now
02:13:54  <mikeal>if you pull that key out the url and try to use it you get a 400 response
02:13:56  <mikeal>grrrr
02:14:05  <ogd>Look at chrome dev tools on nodeschool.io and see if anything is different
02:14:19  <mikeal>there isn't if i use the key from nodeschool.io it works fine :)
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02:18:08  <mikeal>also, how is 400 Bad Request the right response for this
02:18:49  <mikeal>400 response with a body of "The spreadsheet at this URL could not be found. Make sure that you have the right URL and that the owner of the spreadsheet hasn&#39;t deleted it."
02:18:56  <mikeal>that's a 404 bro
02:19:33  <mikeal>what's weird about this is that i remember the last time i made a spreadsheet public the key changed
02:19:37  <mikeal>but this time it did
02:19:38  <mikeal>er didn't
02:20:31  <mikeal>got dammit
02:20:33  <mikeal>i figured it out
02:20:48  <mikeal>why does google has a "share" publish to the web and then and entirely different publish to the web feature
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03:09:52  <dominictarr_>feross: haha, yeah... there are just too many things to write.
03:10:05  <dominictarr_>also I want to make an offline github issue client
03:10:22  <feross>dominictarr_: i would use the offline issue client
03:10:31  <dominictarr_>that would "checkout" the issues into a directory,
03:10:47  <dominictarr_>in markdown... with --- (<hr>) separators
03:10:52  <dominictarr_>between comments
03:11:54  <dominictarr_>then I could write a reply... and then the client could detect it's changed, and push it
03:13:24  <dominictarr_>I need most of this to do feedopensource anyway...
03:16:40  <dominictarr_>a similar thing for email would be cool. Then you could actually use :wq to send an email.
03:16:53  <dominictarr_>or maybe :wq then mv into send folder.
03:19:33  <mikeal>jlord: any specific reason that sheetsee disables doubleClick zoom on maps?
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03:23:13  <mikeal>i'd also love to know how you created such a stylized map :0
03:23:40  <mikeal>i've been poking around the mapbox project editor but the best i could do was get the water to be the same color as my background :)
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04:38:14  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.56.27.70(dev-ie6-1)
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09:39:14  <feross>dominic_, dominictarr_: check it out: https://github.com/feross/cyberhobo
09:39:47  <feross>“Offline git push and npm publish for cyberhobos”
09:42:08  <dominic_>feross: already reading the code
09:42:32  <feross>it’s really basic and i really have no idea if it will work
09:42:54  <dominic_>I'm gonna find out
09:43:11  <feross>i think it might work for simple one-person codebases
09:43:28  <feross>for those of us who maintain our own modules and don’t have to worry about others pushing while we’re offline, i think it could work
09:43:36  <dominic_>I needed an animated gif that picture with lightning coming off my hands
09:47:22  <feross>dominic_: pull request
09:55:51  <dominic_>feross: the only thing is that it will be easier to test if there is a way to skip the connectivity test - assume it's offline
09:56:52  <feross>maybe —offline passed into any command could do that
09:57:03  <feross>it’s 3 am here though and i need to sleep
09:57:33  <feross>you could git clone, modify it, and just run “./cyberhobo.js git push” manually
09:58:07  <feross>dominic_: night! hope this module works out as I plan on using it too
09:58:33  <dominic_>haha, okay cool
09:58:36  <dominic_>night!
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10:58:13  <substack>there are many intermediate states between "offline" and "online"
10:58:23  <substack>like "china" or "flaky"
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11:09:37  <dominictarr_>yeah, maybe you are behind a captive portal that doesn't allow anything but 80 and 443
11:10:26  <dominictarr_>substack: also 'techconf' which is only slightly about full blown offline
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11:18:22  <substack>also! http://npm.taobao.org/
11:18:24  <substack>when in china
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11:20:10  <dominictarr_>it says that 40k packages are waiting for sync!!!
11:20:23  <dominictarr_>this is just not an acceptable state of affairs
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11:39:54  <dominictarr_>haha, someone from linked in just asked me if I want to join a network of elite javascripters on linked in.
11:40:24  <dominictarr_>I told them we already had that on IRC, but if they where to open source linked in, I'll reconsider.
11:44:33  <substack>I don't know what linked in is for
11:50:49  <dominictarr_>apparently they saw my open source report card, and wanted to invite me to there elite javascript club
11:53:53  <substack>speaking of
11:54:19  <substack>dominictarr_: did you catch the discussion mmalecki and I had yesterday?
11:54:51  <dominictarr_>substack: you where working on a timetracking thing and invoice generator
11:55:01  <substack>yes
11:55:09  <dominictarr_>is this your cyber-daylaborer idea?
11:55:24  <substack>exactly 
11:55:34  <substack>so the next piece
11:55:48  <substack>is a job board
11:56:00  <substack>but it will be very different
11:56:12  <substack>instead of submitting jobs to a public board, you submit them to individual hackers
11:56:35  <substack>and the jobs are ideally granular and describe what the software should do, not how it should be written
11:57:03  <dominictarr_>right - so this would be better for subcontracting than for end users
11:57:17  <dominictarr_>aka "business people"
11:57:23  <substack>yes
11:57:28  <substack>so anyways
11:57:47  <substack>hackers will get 2 kinds of job proposals
11:57:52  <substack>project descriptions and iterations
11:58:20  <substack>project descriptions are high-level project scope and requirements
11:58:32  <substack>those get broken down by a hacker into iteration items
11:58:57  <substack>and when a hacker gets a description or an iteration they can do:
11:59:04  <substack>* accept the job for themselves
11:59:16  <substack>* refer the job to another hacker who would be a good fit
11:59:23  <substack>* delegate a section of the work to another hacker they trust
11:59:30  <substack>* promote the job to the public board
11:59:37  <substack>* veto the job completely
11:59:47  <substack>kind of like the actor model
12:00:51  <substack>hackers crunch away at the requirements racking up billable hours with clocker that are fed into invoicing scripts
12:01:08  <substack>and then businessfolk cut the checks
12:02:10  <substack>and the system would demand and ensure certain freedoms like the ability to publish any pieces as reusable components whenever hackers see fit
12:04:09  <dominictarr_>right
12:04:33  <dominictarr_>how will you handle maitainance?
12:04:45  <substack>not sure yet
12:05:05  <substack>but that is mostly handled by full-timers
12:08:42  <dominictarr_>could you predict/estimate the need for maintainance?
12:10:04  <dominictarr_>like, add some extra bit that your system holds in escrow, that is not paid out until the maintance is done?
12:10:36  <dominictarr_>and assume a exponential decay depending on how much effort the initial outlay is?
12:11:19  <substack>I wouldn't handle any of the money things, only invoice generation and coordination
12:11:53  <dominictarr_>oh right okay
12:22:31  <dominictarr_>substack: it's definately good to be able to do professionally the stuff your best at, and leave the other stuff out.
12:23:05  <dominictarr_>so you can get into an interesting niche
12:25:17  <substack>I mostly just want people to have the opportunity to have low-investment money when they need it so they can spend the rest of their time doing whatever they want
12:25:28  <substack>a money pump to subsidize mad science
12:25:57  <substack>work a few hours a week, get by
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12:27:23  <substack>we're right on the cusp of widespread augmented reality anyways
12:28:06  <substack>so that you can hack your surroundings with data instead of physical items
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14:39:21  <jesusabdullah>https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en?hl%3Den#!topic/nodejs/Jf6zI4zXH7A ahahahaha
14:39:24  <jesusabdullah>substack: ^^
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14:41:58  <substack>need more java -> js transpilers clearly
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14:51:02  <gildean>substack: only if you want to write applications in a clean and elegant manner
14:51:13  <jesusabdullah>:D :D
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14:53:21  <pfraze>has anybody used https://avatar-js.java.net/ ?
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16:39:02  <mikeal>jlord: how did you get the street map data layer out of your map?
16:39:22  <mikeal>i'm in their editor and i can't see how to get it out
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16:52:55  <mikeal>i think i figured it out, TileMill
16:53:02  <mikeal>this shit is now way too advanced fro me
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18:04:54  <isaacs>ircretary: tell dominictarr pong
18:04:54  <ircretary>isaacs: I'll be sure to tell dominictarr
18:12:48  <jesusabdullah>nexxy: police car?? You're okay?
18:19:40  <nexxy>yeah
18:19:53  <nexxy>wife witnessed an almost murder scene
18:20:03  <nexxy>down on the break waters
18:20:36  <jesusabdullah>jesus that's nuts
18:20:54  <mikeal>crazy
18:20:59  <nexxy>'almost' in the sense that it turns out a fisher just caught a giant sting ray and cut its fins off
18:21:05  <jesusabdullah>Glad you weren't in trouble or anything tho
18:21:14  <nexxy>but we didn't learn that until we were in the company of over a dozen police
18:21:15  <nexxy>and EMS
18:21:26  <nexxy>it was sad either way
18:21:28  <mikeal>where are the break waters?
18:21:30  <nexxy>and pretty traumatizing
18:21:39  <nexxy>mikeal, just outcropping of rocks into the ocean
18:21:43  <nexxy>with cement poured over them
18:21:46  <nexxy>like jettys
18:22:04  <jesusabdullah>not a fan of fishing nexxy ?
18:22:08  <mikeal>near you house
18:22:28  <nexxy>https://www.google.com/maps/@37.767625,-122.293979,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m5!1e2!3m3!1s32814482!2e1!3e10
18:22:33  <nexxy>mikeal, yeah
18:22:42  <nexxy>^ that is like a block from our house
18:22:43  <jesusabdullah>you live in alameda nexxy ?
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18:23:00  <nexxy>yeah
18:23:08  <jesusabdullah>I think my friend miah lives near you
18:23:11  <jesusabdullah>neat
18:23:12  <nexxy>ohh
18:23:18  <nexxy>yeah I have miah on twitter
18:23:38  <nexxy>mikeal, I have a question for you actually
18:23:40  <nexxy>can I PM you?
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18:26:00  <mikeal>sure
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18:38:26  <jesusabdullah>cool nexxy, she was one of the first people I met in SF, made me feel welcome
18:39:08  <nexxy>awesome! I should meet her sometime
18:41:26  <jesusabdullah>Yeah totes
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18:49:14  <thlorenz>feross: does cyberhobo npm publish the code as it was when I executed the command initially?
18:49:27  <thlorenz>or does it just run it on whatever I have at that later point in time?
18:49:44  <feross_>thlorenz: currently it does the dumb thing
18:49:59  <thlorenz>thought so - couldn't find any persistence in the code
18:50:02  <feross_>but i’m hoping to improve it to handle these edge cases as they come up
18:50:05  <thlorenz>that's dangerous ;)
18:50:23  <thlorenz>feross: you could store things in level or so
18:50:33  <feross_>thlorenz: good point. i think i should just save the git commit hash
18:50:38  <feross_>and checkout the correct commit before running publish
18:50:43  <thlorenz>feross: another crazy idea: build a docker image with the command already set
18:51:04  <thlorenz>then when you run the container it'll run the command on the exact code that you had
18:51:21  <feross_>thlorenz: interestig
18:51:37  <thlorenz>feross: if interested look into dockerode or dockops - that should make it quite simple
18:52:07  <thlorenz>only drawback = docker only runs without hassle on linux (somewhat of a nuisance on MacOS)
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18:59:41  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: you can run it on osx? o__o
18:59:52  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: yes via virtualbox
19:00:05  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: I wrote a module that sets it up for you: docmac
19:00:06  <jesusabdullah>oh yeah
19:00:12  <jesusabdullah>oh neat
19:00:27  <thlorenz>so the client app is running on mac, but the server sits inside VB (it's all rest anyhow)
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19:00:44  <thlorenz>but it's not as nice as just running it in linux
19:01:07  <thlorenz>so I have this vagrant thing that sets things up for me and then I just do 'vagrant ssh'
19:01:32  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: this is the vagrant - just run it to give it a try: https://github.com/thlorenz/vagrant-sandbox/tree/docker
19:01:45  <thlorenz>it includes all my nifty setup like vim, plugins, etc. :)
19:01:57  <jesusabdullah>word
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19:02:17  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: oh and docker listens on socket, so best is to add vagrant to the docker group
19:02:34  <thlorenz>so you don't have to sudo everytime - gotta update the docs accordingly
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20:33:48  <thlorenz>feross: I got it, just call `npm pack`, store the resulting tgz and then publish that later
20:37:10  <thlorenz>feross: https://github.com/feross/cyberhobo/issues/1
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20:50:25  <feross_>thlorenz: nice! will look into that after work
20:51:15  <thlorenz>feross: cool, will totally use it while coding on plane and/or park with lots of interlinked modules to not forget to push out these versions
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