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00:43:15  <owen1>but the website seems down
00:43:32  <owen1>http://2014.jsconf.cn/
00:46:46  <mikolalysenko>substack: do you mind if I just merge this in? https://github.com/substack/ndarray-linear-solve/pull/4
00:47:25  <mikolalysenko>many applications of linear solvers (eg linear programming, etc) require calling them in a loop repeatedly
00:47:41  <mikolalysenko>it makes sense I think to make no-allocation the default and only mode of operation
00:47:42  <substack>looks good
00:48:02  <mikolalysenko>though thinking about it, maybe I would move the X argument to the first element of the array
00:48:17  <mikolalysenko>err I mean the first argument
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00:53:47  <mikolalysenko>eventually the simple lu decomposition needs to be replaced with something that does partial pivoting...
00:54:02  <mikolalysenko>and we would still probably need qr decomposition for rectangular matrices/least squares problems
00:54:49  <mikolalysenko>and maybe add cholesky for psd matrices
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03:46:13  <ogd>timoxley_: i was a few minutes ago but i parted ways
03:46:18  <ogd>timoxley_: you trying to find him?
03:46:27  <timoxley_>ogd: correct
03:46:42  <ogd>timoxley_: he is likely near the intersection of grand and broadway in oakland
03:47:06  <timoxley_>ogd: that is where we is
03:47:27  <ogd>timoxley_: im across the street, ill come to you
03:47:45  <timoxley_>ogd: we're out front of farleys east
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07:56:38  <mafintosh>Yea for a little while. Going to a wedding today
07:57:27  <mafintosh>jbenet: whats up
07:58:10  <jbenet>ah have fun! -- quick q: if you were writing a protocol stack right now, what would you use, streams or event emitters or a mix?
07:58:54  <jbenet>say these protocols are encoded with protobuf or something similar, and it really is a stack, layers
08:00:50  <substack>protocol parsers are usually best as streams
08:01:08  <substack>plays more nicely with backpressure
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08:08:00  <jbenet>substack: yeah figured as much. But imagine your protocol stack is a bit complicated. Like, each protocol (say a stream) can have different kinds of messages/events that happen. and the protocols above don't know _all_ the details, but they may know when to call, say `findValue` or `findPeer` in a DHT.
08:11:41  <mafintosh>I like doing parsers as writable streams and then emitting stuff found as events (with a callback to tackle backpressure)
08:12:15  <mafintosh>jbenet substack: see my tar-stream module as an example of this
08:14:31  <jbenet>mafintosh: considered using multiple streams? like a fan out? (different readable streams per message/event type)
08:18:41  <mafintosh>jbenet: yes i do that in tar-stream
08:19:00  <jbenet>ah cool :)
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08:30:49  <mafintosh>jbenet: would love to get some feedback on this pattern if you start writing parsers as well :)
08:31:38  <jbenet>mafintosh: will do. my use case is very packet/message oriented. I'll push out some examples by the time you get back.
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10:25:17  <jbenet>dgram streams for you https://github.com/jbenet/multi-dgram-stream https://github.com/jbenet/node-multi-dgram-stream <-- gif :)
10:25:38  <jbenet>first link should be: https://github.com/jbenet/dgram-stream
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12:51:29  <jbenet>mafintosh: strawman example of what i'm doing: https://github.com/jbenet/node-msgproto-chat-example
12:52:07  <jbenet>https://github.com/jbenet/node-ipfs-msgproto (base) and https://github.com/jbenet/node-ipfs-msgproto-integrity (checksum frame)
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14:57:18  <juliangruber>a good read: http://dave.cheney.net/2014/06/07/five-things-that-make-go-fast
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16:38:56  <mikolalysenko>juliangruber: the value type argument I agree with and understand
16:39:04  <mikolalysenko>but the rest of the things are standard compiler optimizations
16:39:19  <mikolalysenko>v8/spidermonkey/etc all do inlining, dead code elimination, escape analysis and much more
16:39:40  <mikolalysenko>so yes, it is true that makes go "fast", but then again the same is true for any other programming language
16:40:33  <mikolalysenko>and regarding goroutine stacks, the same thing is implemented in D via fibers. though it isn't clear to me that goroutines make things any faster or not, they just facilitate a more convenient or perhaps intuitive style of programming
16:41:07  <juliangruber>mikolalysenko: i didn't want to argue that go is good, but i learned some things reading that
16:41:27  <juliangruber>like escape analysis and how go grows the stack
16:41:28  <mikolalysenko>juliangruber: yes, the main message I would take away is that value types are very important
16:41:40  <juliangruber>yeah true
16:41:42  <mikolalysenko>every language does that though, regarding stack growing
16:41:48  <mikolalysenko>even C and JS
16:41:58  <juliangruber>although i wonder where go stores gc information
16:42:15  <mikolalysenko>probably in a per object tag
16:42:22  <mikolalysenko>but you don't need to store gc stuff for value types
16:42:36  <mikolalysenko>since they are all pass by value and have static scoping
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16:44:16  <juliangruber>cool i need to read more about value types
16:44:38  <mikolalysenko>the sad part is js almost got them, but the es6 committee thought modules and fat arrows were more important...
16:45:06  <juliangruber>i guess that makes sense for the most common js use cases
16:45:21  <mikolalysenko>but yeah, value types are super important for performance and it is probably the main reason that C/C++ is faster than Java or whatever else
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16:59:50  <mikolalysenko>I think a lot of the js/go comparisons miss the point
17:00:03  <mikolalysenko>really the whole advantage to working in js is that it runs in a browser
17:00:37  <mikolalysenko>if not for that, there would probably be no reason to bother with it
17:01:29  <mikolalysenko>for example, this thing is making the rounds right now: http://notes.ericjiang.com/posts/751
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22:01:43  <jesusabdullah>so like, what did tc39 do this time?
22:02:55  <substack>they changed the es6 modules syntax
22:03:15  <jesusabdullah>again?
22:03:17  <jesusabdullah>is it any better?
22:03:28  <substack>yes but really annoying to be changing things so late
22:03:39  <jesusabdullah>yeah
22:03:53  <substack>and then they were dicks to Domenic who just pointed out that this kind of late-game changing destroys confidence
22:03:56  <substack>tone policing all around
22:04:20  <jesusabdullah>idk, I plan to branch out so I'm not really that concerned about the future of js anymore
22:04:45  <jesusabdullah>but yeah, that sucks Domenic
22:05:09  <jesusabdullah>tone policing is the dumbest shit, like, okay you can tell someone to calm down but that doesn't mean the argument's invalid
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22:24:39  <substack>hackygolucky: the people in question have a history of shutting down people who raise dissenting opinions with tone arguments
22:24:48  <substack>a severe history
22:24:53  <substack>they are not good faith actors
22:25:10  <substack>I'm blocking several of them on twitter already
22:25:47  <substack>the point of the tone argument is to derail an argument, which it clearly has
22:25:58  <substack>that's why I was trying to put the argument back on track, which failed
22:26:03  <hackygolucky>substack: yup, I agree. Sorry. The argument for/against tone is a trigger for me :)
22:26:32  <hackygolucky>I think it's fine to bring up tone as part of a need to refocus the argument instead of shooting a messenger OR the message
22:27:08  <substack>I think your comments are getting mis-interpreted by the guilty parties as justification for their actions though
22:27:13  <hackygolucky>sigh
22:27:32  <hackygolucky>Gotta love 140 characters as ammo.
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22:29:26  <substack>it's really frustrating dealing with those people >_<
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22:32:39  <hackygolucky>I get trying to have a sense of humor, but yeah, debate seems to be a challenge. Especially when their forum is pretty exclusively twitter.
22:33:06  <substack>or es-discuss which is a completely toxic place
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22:35:08  <hackygolucky>ah, yes.
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22:37:17  <substack>another problem is that tc39 is pay-to-play to the tune of around 500k per seat
22:39:13  <hackygolucky>The day I read about the how tc39 worked was a day I was pretty sad.
22:39:47  <substack>everything is terrible basically
22:40:15  <substack>except making things and collaborating with peers is pretty great
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22:41:34  <Wraithan>substack: suprise perks are pretty great too. Working on a project with a case fan, now I have a fan blowing on me!
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22:51:04  <ogd>mk30: also check out https://github.com/deathcap/voxpopuli (even though its written in coffeescript :( )
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22:56:51  <hackygolucky>substack: yeah, that's a pretty awesome place to focus.
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23:21:05  <substack>blocking more assholes on twitter
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23:33:11  <jesusabdullah>what did they do this time sub?
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