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16:17:37  <therealkoopa>Looks like something may be broken in browserify 5.x with -r foo:bar. I have a build which uses backbone, and I am doing a -r lodash:underscore to swap out lodash for underscore, but I'm getting a "Cannot find module 'underscore'".
16:18:38  <timoxley>therealkoopa: are you sure it's installed
16:19:05  <therealkoopa>Sure what's installed? Lodash? yes.
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16:22:27  <therealkoopa>I'm still looking into it, but lodash is definitely installed. The bundle actually has "lodash":undefined, which is interesting.
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17:55:05  <andrewdeandrade>Out of curiosity, are there any HTML coverage reporters for coverify or maybe a coverify json output to lcov conversion tool?
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18:56:46  <dstokes>hey guys, anyone know if child_process.spawn strips quotes in the args array?
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19:25:15  <ogd>hij1nx: can you do a quick google hangout w/ me and mafintosh to discuss level-replication
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21:32:33  <thealphanerd>hey guys… for browserify transforms / plugins… do you usually include those in devDependencies or dependencies?
21:35:12  <ogd>thealphanerd: if they are in the 'transforms' field in package.json they need to be in dependencies
21:35:46  <thealphanerd>I need to go deeper into the docs.. I didn’t know you could add a transforms field to package.json
21:35:47  <thealphanerd>!!!
21:36:09  <ogd>thealphanerd: http://browserify.org/articles :D
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21:36:57  <thealphanerd>I went through a chunk of those, but didn’t read hard enough yet aparantly :S
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21:37:06  <thealphanerd>ogd: are you going to be at cascadia? enjoy berlin?
21:37:30  <ogd>thealphanerd: wont be at cascadia, and yes i enjoyed berlin very much
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21:38:01  <thealphanerd>too bad, and awesome!
21:38:19  <thealphanerd>if you have the transforms section in the package.json do the transforms end up working when you add a module as a dependency?
21:38:35  <ogd>yea
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21:39:39  <thealphanerd>awesome! Do you still need to manually add the transforms when running a top level module?
21:40:46  <ogd>thealphanerd: transforms only affect the top level module, and if they are in package.json already then specifying them on the cli would be redundant
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21:43:24  <thealphanerd>ogd: I’ll rephrase… I have a single module.. it is top level. I have a couple transforms I want to use. If I specify the brwoserify.transform field and simply run the cli the transforms do not appear to be loaded
21:44:00  <ogd>thealphanerd: hmm weird, it should work
21:44:06  <ogd>thealphanerd: could be syntax error
21:44:15  <ogd>thealphanerd: maybe try finding a working one on github and see how yours differs
21:44:23  <thealphanerd>https://gist.github.com/15d3ccccd18cc63db029
21:45:48  <ogd>that looks correct to me, now if you ever browserify that module it should run brfs on all the files in that module
21:46:15  <thealphanerd>but when I run
21:46:19  <thealphanerd>npm run-script build
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21:46:26  <thealphanerd>the transforms are not getting loaded
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21:46:45  <ogd>its cause you are browserifying a file not a module
21:46:53  <ogd>in your build cmd
21:47:37  <ogd>browserify -s or -r are what you want maybe
21:47:37  <thealphanerd>what would the syntax difference be?
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21:48:04  <ogd>'transform' in package.json is for modules, it looks like your thing is more of an app and not a module
21:48:14  <thealphanerd>indeed
21:48:16  <thealphanerd>it is
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21:48:36  <thealphanerd>although I can see the use from an app standpoint
21:48:45  <thealphanerd>rather than constantly modifying build scripts
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21:49:05  <ogd>if you check out the different between browserify index.js, browserify -r module and browserify -s module
21:49:10  <ogd>i think it will make sense
21:50:05  <ogd>cause theres no implicit relationship right now between src/index.js and package.json, so you'd have to PR a change to the way browserifying an entry file works
21:50:16  <thealphanerd>that’s what I was just thinking
21:50:36  <thealphanerd>now -r would be requiring in a module
21:50:39  <ogd>but you can use -s and it will work
21:50:41  <thealphanerd>and -s is making a UMD bundle
21:50:48  <thealphanerd>-s breaks watchify
21:50:58  <ogd>?
21:51:20  <thealphanerd>watchify -s src/index.js -o static/bundle.js --debug --verbose
21:51:27  <thealphanerd>this runs and then exits… doesn’t watch
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21:51:51  <ogd>ah maybe it isnt supported
21:52:03  <thealphanerd>very liekly
21:52:23  <thealphanerd>I don’t have time to dig in the code right now.. but will over the week, maybe I can even speak to substack about it at Cascadia
21:52:26  <ogd>oh it says it is supposed to be
21:52:39  <ogd>maybe your args are wrong
21:53:00  <thealphanerd>the exact same command without -s and adding -t works perfectly
21:53:16  <ogd>yea but you are using the wrong args for -s
21:53:32  <ogd>check out the browserify readme. its supposed to be browserify src/index.js -s Foo
21:53:41  <thealphanerd>ahhhhhh
21:53:45  <ogd>oh but i guess transforms wont run there....
21:53:56  <ogd>maybe a combination of -r and -s
21:54:05  <thealphanerd>To be honest… -s seems like a hack
21:54:08  <ogd>like browserify -r browserify-seed -s Foo
21:54:10  <thealphanerd>I’m not making a UMD module
21:54:20  <thealphanerd>this is a top level App
21:54:29  <ogd>ok
21:54:41  <ogd>then you'll have to change browserify :D
21:54:41  <thealphanerd>the best plan of action here is probably to just stick with what works, dig through the source, and make a pr
21:55:06  <thealphanerd>totally, this actually shouldn’t be too difficult, since the code is technically already there… just starting one layer down
21:55:24  <thealphanerd>I think it will be more a question if substack thinks this should be a supported feature
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21:59:44  <hij1nx>ogd: ohh! sorry i missed this
22:00:20  <jesusabdullah>substack: do you follow node issues? I was lol-ing at https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/8005 until ben's comment
22:00:31  <jesusabdullah>substack: at first I was like XD but then I was like -_-;
22:00:40  <hij1nx>mafintosh: ping
22:01:13  <jesusabdullah>yaaay ttn brings it back
22:03:18  <hij1nx>jesusabdullah: I for one, am in favor of removing core :)
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22:04:51  <defunctzombie>substack: do I need to update browser-resolve?
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22:08:45  <jesusabdullah>hij1nx: I bought into the isaac doctrine, and tbh I'd be okay with websocket support in core IF there was an actually good plausibility argument. Which these dudes are not making.
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22:10:27  <Wraithan>jesusabdullah: performance can be a plausible argument
22:11:00  <jesusabdullah>Wraithan: yeah, or like, what Ben hints at is reasonable given the isaac doctrine
22:11:06  <jesusabdullah>(I'm sure he'd love that)
22:11:29  <Wraithan>websockets are getting more and more command and while you can do 100% js implementations, the js versions are generally much slower
22:12:22  <hij1nx>domanic_: o
22:12:44  <domanic_>hij1nx, !
22:13:02  <hij1nx>domanic_:/ \
22:13:06  <Wraithan>tootallnate isn't wrong about it being an optional dep though, maybe this speaks to both of these issues. For production speed websockets you want a native module, and for some things you want optional dependencies that don't shit all over your terminal (not sure how it actually is honestly but I wouldn't be surprised)
22:13:15  <domanic_>hij1nx, almost
22:13:17  <hij1nx>domanic_: damnit, its missing arms
22:13:22  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0
22:13:34  <domanic_>hij1nx, try again
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22:18:55  <substack>defunctzombie_zz: for [email protected] yes
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22:19:00  <substack>that will fix a bug or two
22:20:52  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0
22:23:40  <ogd>hij1nx: we hang in #dat
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22:36:18  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 8, free: 27]
22:36:52  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 50.56.27.70 (dev-ie6-1)
22:38:39  <chrisdickinson>Wraithan: tbh, my initial reaction is that that ws issue should be solved via better messaging from the npm client about optional dependencies
22:43:52  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 50.57.72.216 (free8)
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23:20:06  <Wraithan>chrisdickinson: Right, I definitely agree
23:20:12  <Wraithan>chrisdickinson: are you back?
23:21:38  <chrisdickinson>back from wedding? yes
23:21:52  <Wraithan>cool
23:21:58  <Wraithan>chrisdickinson: you see my pm?
23:22:07  <juliangruber>defunctzombie_zz: maybe the express strongloop stuff shows that maintainers were treated more like resources than humans
23:22:54  <juliangruber>treated = viewed
23:23:15  <juliangruber>humans = serious humans
23:25:55  <chrisdickinson>yep
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23:32:09  <jesusabdullah>CORE
23:36:18  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 28]
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23:49:33  <jesusabdullah>INCORRECT http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2c18v1/sel4_the_worlds_first_os_kernel_with_an_endtoend/cjbho51
23:50:22  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.174.105(dev-ie8-2)
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