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05:56:42  <thealphanerd>anyone have a suggestion for a 5ghz router?
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10:19:22  <juliangruber>this whole sass/scss thing is so not modular
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10:41:52  <substack>juliangruber: I'm not so sure it's possible to have particularly modular css
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14:40:54  <svnlto>juliangruber: https://github.com/topcoat/resin this has worked quite well in the past, together with 'insert-css' /cc substack
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14:45:31  <juliangruber>svnlto: did you use that to make one main css file, or does that also work well when you need to split things up?
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14:46:09  <svnlto>juliangruber: one css file per 'component'
14:46:26  <juliangruber>svnlto and one build file?
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14:47:13  <svnlto>juliangruber: yes, that only has the reset and some global styles for layouts tho. the reset is self contained
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15:01:14  <jesusabdullah>svnlto: resin? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin_%28software%29
15:01:45  <svnlto>jesusabdullah: urgh
15:02:08  <jesusabdullah>it's in our stack at work
15:02:18  <jesusabdullah>othiym23: can I try that post again if I use more than one word?
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15:02:34  <jesusabdullah>othiym23: also I didn't know you were moderating the mailing list, probably a good thing
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15:08:36  <andreypopp_>juliangruber: the only way to make styles modular is to use JS to define them, you automatically get modules with own scope, functions, mixins, variables, ... see https://github.com/js-next/react-style for the example
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16:01:34  <mmalecki>substack: thanks! <3
16:03:30  <substack>no probs, thanks for the great patches!
16:03:43  <substack>an api version of clocker would also be good at some point
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16:04:00  <substack>but I don't have a personal need for that quite yet
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17:10:59  <creationix>dlmanning: nvm just messes with $PATH. Simply put your custom node at the front of path.
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17:40:45  <dlmanning>creationix : Sure, but I'd like to be able to set an alias for that with nvm to move between the tip of master and a release
17:41:24  <dlmanning>Do you feel like that's outside the scope of nvm's problem domain?
17:42:10  <creationix>dlmanning: I think if you just clone the node version you want along-side the other nodes that nvm downloads, it will treat it the same as others. Just use a similar naming scheme.
17:42:38  <dlmanning>Okay, I'll try that
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18:13:41  <juliangruber>substack this is weird https://github.com/substack/read-only-stream/issues/2
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18:15:07  <substack>o_O
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18:15:38  <substack>juliangruber: I'll tell the npm folks
18:15:44  <juliangruber>cool
18:15:45  <substack>I'm running npm 2.0.0
18:15:58  <juliangruber>me too, but i haven't had that
18:16:45  <juliangruber>i find read-only-stream to be really useful btw, i've had the problem it solves a lot but never thought of just solving it
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18:17:45  <domanic>mikolalysenko_, aha! My talk at nodeconf israel was about that idea!
18:17:55  <domanic>(deterministic simulations)
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18:29:08  <ogd>mikolalysenko_: did you find anywhere that can do lenticular printing onto 2" hexagons?
18:30:07  <mikolalysenko_>ogd: a couple of places, there is a guy in texas who can do it which seems cheapest
18:30:14  <mikolalysenko_>ogd: seems legit I think
18:30:24  <mikolalysenko_>but haven't figured out the pricing details yet
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18:54:39  <gorhgorh>@nathan7 ping
18:54:48  <nathan7>gorhgorh: pong
18:55:04  <nathan7>I should probably caffeinate myself and go nazi things
18:55:11  <mikolalysenko_>Made some improvements: https://mikolalysenko.github.io/gif-3d
18:55:16  <gorhgorh>hé hé exactly
18:55:43  <gorhgorh>the website is "almost" done
18:55:48  <gorhgorh>http://test.squatconf.eu/
18:55:56  <ogd>mikolalysenko_: LOL
18:56:05  <nathan7>gorhgorh: html/index.html, right?
18:56:40  <mikolalysenko_>whoops, had a bug with the css
18:56:42  <mikolalysenko_>links should work now
18:56:45  <joates>gorhgorh, hold up !!
18:57:19  <gorhgorh>@nathan7 https://github.com/squatconf/manifest directly
18:57:35  <gorhgorh>i'll import it
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18:59:44  <nathan7>gorhgorh: oh, okay
18:59:51  <nathan7>gorhgorh: I'm editing HTML right now, I'll do Markdown in a bit
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19:00:35  <gorhgorh>oki doki ping when ready
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19:04:00  <nathan7>really enjoying writing this, though [=
19:04:35  <domanic>gorhgorh, joates the website looks AMAZING
19:04:54  <domanic>so great that it is responsive too
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19:05:06  <gorhgorh>rasponsive ascii :)
19:05:35  <joates>domanic, credit to gorhgorh for .386 design
19:06:13  <joates>^^ thanks anyway, i agree it does look really cool :D
19:06:26  <gorhgorh>nope thanks to the author of this crazy theme, but it fits the idea yep :)
19:06:56  <domanic>gorhgorh, the ascii paris doesn't really make sense though
19:07:22  <domanic>could we prehaps switch it to something simpler and tackier?
19:07:28  <gorhgorh>yep this is a leftover :)
19:07:31  <domanic>like the effile tower
19:07:39  <domanic>WHAT ABOUT THIS IDEA
19:07:39  <LOUDBOT>IT'S LIKE THERE'S A PARTY IN MY TERMINAL AND ALL OF MY ENGLISH-MAJOR FRIENDS ARE INVITED
19:07:46  <domanic>haha
19:07:56  <domanic>okay what about an ANARCHY SYMBOL
19:08:07  <domanic>except the A is the Effile tower?
19:08:23  <joates>domanic, issues on gh pls ;-)
19:08:43  <gorhgorh>ha ha love the idea :)
19:10:37  <substack>I'll draw it, one sec
19:10:41  <domanic>the bottom one here is good: http://www.chris.com/ascii/index.php?art=places%2Feiffel%20tower
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19:50:03  <nathan7>gorhgorh: I'm going to have dinner, I'll continue the copywriting in a bit though [=
19:50:22  <gorhgorh>no prob
19:50:43  <gorhgorh>i should do that too :p
19:53:01  <substack>gorhgorh: http://scratch.substack.net/squatconf.svg
19:53:53  <substack>or édition super france http://scratch.substack.net/squatconf_baguette.svg
19:54:10  <ogd>lol
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19:54:47  <joates>substack, it looks (to me) like it's saying NO eiffel tower, which is *not* the message we want to send !!?
19:55:25  <joates>^^ we love the Eifffel tower :))
19:55:31  <gorhgorh>@substack ha ha ha
19:55:50  <gorhgorh>as a french i would never do that :p but this is SOOOO cool :)
19:56:04  <substack>http://ldsanarchy.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/cropped-anarchy.jpg
19:56:22  <substack>based on that
19:57:41  <joates>maybe if it wasn't red.. would look less like a "no entry" style sign ?
19:58:07  <joates>like in black, on a blue background ?
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19:58:55  <substack>what about just leveling the baguette
19:59:18  <joates>yea, i think leveling would work also
19:59:40  <gorhgorh>really i don't think this is such a problem, french don't worship the Eifffel tower
19:59:49  <gorhgorh>they would not notice that
19:59:53  <substack>http://scratch.substack.net/squatconf_level.svg
20:00:12  <gorhgorh>tbh i love the fist better
20:00:33  <gorhgorh>because it match more the punk scene symbol
20:00:39  <substack>use whichever you like!
20:00:57  <joates>^^ yeah, and i am NOT a designer, sorry substack
20:01:02  <gorhgorh>anyway thank for the graphics
20:01:46  <joates>gorhgorh, can we make it flash !! LOL red & black ??
20:02:13  <joates>i dont mean ".swf" but blink
20:02:25  <gorhgorh>we can do a lot of things :) this is svg :)
20:02:59  <substack>https://www.npmjs.org/package/load-svg
20:04:31  <joates>thanks substack, we haz logo :)
20:06:31  <joates>everyone.. pls help us by signing up at http://test.squatconf.eu
20:06:54  <joates>use fake email, real email, try to XSS and crash it, thanks :)
20:07:15  <joates>FYI, we will wipe the db when we deploy for realz !!
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20:20:00  <domanic>substack, https://github.com/substack/node-pathway/pull/1
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20:22:03  <feross>domanic: people talking about distributed social network stuff on #webtorrent
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20:23:49  <domanic>feross, okay
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20:30:10  <ogd>domanic: can i add you on phoenix using https://github.com/dominictarr.keys ?
20:31:42  <domanic>ogd, no
20:32:18  <domanic>{"id":"6d664a78982b9bad92a0131ac4da8f61d6eb8a12c02425e76e9032db0ba38b37","relays":[["glebm.com",64000],["grimwire.com",64000]]}
20:33:23  <domanic>ogd, phoenix uses ecc curves, not rsa, so it can't be the same as your ssh key
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20:46:43  <ahdinosaur>squatconf sounds so awesome, also great style for the website :)
20:48:04  <domanic>hey ahdinosaur do you know if/where balupton hangs out in IRC?
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20:52:09  <nathan7>hey domanic
20:52:47  <domanic>hey nathan7
20:52:55  <nathan7>substack: I'm not sure which one I love more
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20:53:20  <nathan7>domanic: I'm playing with git internals and figuring out how I can make the webtorrent stuff work with it [=
20:53:23  <ahdinosaur>domanic: he's not a fan of IRC as he finds text too impersonal (see http://interconnect.io), so he only occasionally comes online. i can tell him to come here when he is online though
20:54:26  <nathan7>domanic: what curve are you using for phoenix by the way? 22519?
20:54:35  <nathan7>domanic: er, 25519*
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20:57:33  <domanic>nathan7, https://github.com/dominictarr/eccjs/blob/master/vendor/sjcl.js#L3152-L3160
20:58:29  <domanic>I would be happy to receive criticism here
20:58:42  <ahdinosaur>domanic: "As this text chat, kind of illustrates a problem with text. In terms of, most people cannot write well, most of the world is illiterate, we've video chatted since life itself, and text chatted only very very recently. Our brains are wired for video conversations, not text chats, hence the amount of miscommunication for text chat, and subtle intentions that go missing, which increases the need for re-clarifications and disclaimers in text." - ht
20:58:46  <nathan7>dunno, 25519 seems to be the best practice these days
20:59:05  <nathan7>the Koblitz curves were a speed hack which afaik have some criticism
20:59:15  <nathan7>and 25519 is pretty damn fast
21:00:04  <domanic>nathan7, right - I'm expecting to break everything before this is ready to use
21:00:10  <nathan7>domanic: lovely
21:00:40  <domanic>And I'm aware of this: http://safecurves.cr.yp.to/
21:00:41  <nathan7>domanic: I'd like to look into doing a fast-ish BLAKE2b in JS so we can break the hashing too q=
21:01:00  <domanic>nathan7, please do!
21:02:31  <domanic>the blake2s that I am using is the currently the fastest javascript hash
21:02:32  <domanic>http://dominictarr.github.io/crypto-bench/
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21:03:29  <domanic>better than the best sha1, (scroll to bottom)
21:04:00  <nathan7>whoops, my computer died
21:04:20  <nathan7>that was my last battery
21:04:39  <nathan7>and my charger died
21:05:03  <othiym23>jesusabdullah: did I downvote a post of yours?
21:05:24  <othiym23>jesusabdullah: I also made Aria a moderator last week, so maybe the lag between posting and reading will go down
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21:07:30  <jesusabdullah>othiym23: it might not have been you, the "lolno" just mentioned you by name
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21:07:53  <jesusabdullah>othiym23: and it was fair. The OP said something like, "stop publishing tests with your packages!" and my reply was "No," one word
21:08:48  <othiym23>that sounds like Aria :D
21:09:15  <jesusabdullah>Yeah
21:09:23  <othiym23>jesusabdullah: I pretty much gave her carte blanche to shape the list however she wants
21:09:32  <jesusabdullah>I see
21:09:34  <othiym23>she participates a lot more than I do right now anyway
21:09:37  <jesusabdullah>yeah
21:09:40  <substack>tests in npm packages are great
21:09:52  <substack>sometimes I pop into my ./node_modules to look around at the tests
21:09:54  <domanic>keep the tests in the packages!
21:09:56  <jesusabdullah>That's what *I* think substack but I couldn't be assed to say anything that wasn't flippant
21:10:07  <jesusabdullah>look up the thread if you like
21:10:36  <othiym23>every byte in your package brings us that much closer to the heat death of the universe, substack
21:10:51  <substack>I put images in packages too
21:10:54  <othiym23>do you really *need* those tests in there?
21:11:08  <othiym23>do you really want to consign us all to lukewarm death?
21:11:11  <othiym23>smh
21:11:35  <jesusabdullah>othiym23: yes XD
21:11:40  <substack>why have readmes in packages? precious bytes
21:11:49  <substack>actually, minify your code before publishing
21:11:57  <domanic>othiym23, we will need the tests when someone eventually gets around to a think to test all the packages
21:11:59  <jesusabdullah>othiym23: seriously though: OP's argument was that if they wanted any of that stuff they'd clone the repo
21:12:00  <substack>gzip the files and deflate them at runtime
21:12:25  <jesusabdullah>MY argument is that I open up a project README from node_modules PRETTY OFTEN and I appreciate having the option of running tests Here and Now
21:12:41  <substack>jesusabdullah: just say "it's not about you"
21:12:46  <substack>as your flippant response
21:12:52  <nathan7>for npm to prescribe removing tests would be a Bad Thing(TM)
21:12:59  <nathan7>if people really want to they can .npmignore them
21:13:02  <substack>I can't help but think up flippant responses either.
21:13:05  <jesusabdullah>My flippant response was "no" and aria didn't think it contributed to the conversation
21:13:11  <domanic>they can't afford the disk space? what it it the 90s?
21:13:21  <jesusabdullah>nathan7: OP was making an appeal to authors to actually use .npmignore s
21:13:32  <othiym23>domanic: I am being hella flippant, like my good friend and esteemed peer Josh here
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21:13:53  <jesusabdullah>tbh my flippancy came not from "your ideas are bad" but more, "we went over this ages ago way to be late to the party"
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21:14:14  <othiym23>domanic: I think having the tests there is extremely useful for me as somebody who needs to make my stuff work with everybody else's shit
21:14:18  <jesusabdullah>or like, the guy that wanted to bundle socket.io with node core
21:14:31  <domanic>yeah
21:14:44  <othiym23>jesusabdullah: that one was great
21:14:48  <jesusabdullah>WAS IT
21:14:49  <jesusabdullah>haha
21:14:55  <jesusabdullah>as they say, "smh"
21:14:57  <othiym23>jesusabdullah: we should bundle Express too
21:15:10  <othiym23>Node on Rodes.js
21:15:40  <jesusabdullah>tbh the best part of that issue was that CORE was always in all caps
21:15:48  <jesusabdullah>"I think socket.io should be in CORE"
21:16:10  <jesusabdullah>like how some people always all-caps MAC as in "macintosh computer"
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21:28:25  <nathan7>jesusabdullah: what place of discussion is this all happening on?
21:29:49  <jesusabdullah>nathan7: https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/nodejs/GMdv3YwmLiY/SjYN4PD-pTEJ
21:33:27  <Domenic>thlorenz: do you run some script to regenerate the es6ify readme from the jsdoc?
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21:35:33  <thlorenz>Domenic: looks like I'm running `docme README.md` to update the readme, but have nothing to update gh-pages :(
21:36:12  <thlorenz>we should add docme as a dev dep and add a "docme" script in the package.json
21:36:20  <Domenic>yepyep
21:37:07  <Domenic>Can't install docme :( npm ERR! git clone https://github.com/hegemonic/taffydb.git
21:37:32  <Domenic>oh nevermind
21:37:38  <Domenic>something about cmd.exe
21:37:41  <Domenic>works in git bash
21:38:33  <thlorenz>Domenic: ok, for the gh-pages we could do something similar to: https://github.com/thlorenz/v8-perf/blob/gh-pages/build/update-readme-section.js
21:39:08  <thlorenz>in order to no longer have to manually update those either
21:42:20  <Domenic>meh, i can't run docme on windows, so gonna abdicate this docs stuff :-/
21:42:52  <Domenic>I think it is trying to spawn a .js file as a child process but that of coures doesn
21:42:53  <thlorenz>ok - put that on my plate then - takes a second
21:42:53  <Domenic>'t work
21:44:28  <thlorenz>Domenic: you can thank the jsdoc peeps for that, they refuse to make it useable as a library: https://github.com/jsdoc3/jsdoc/pull/548
21:45:07  <Domenic>thlorenz: can't you just do require('jsdoc/package.json
21:45:12  <Domenic>').bin
21:45:20  <thlorenz>nope
21:45:34  <thlorenz>cause it can't even find jsdoc without a main field
21:45:35  <Domenic>huh
21:45:40  <Domenic>bizarre
21:45:41  <thlorenz>just try it :)
21:46:30  <thlorenz>'jsdoc/x' means find 'jsdoc' first and x next to it - without it being called index.js or jsdoc.js OR having a main field pointing at the entry that doesn't work
21:49:05  <thlorenz>Domenic: I know this for a fact cuz I dealt with countless front-end packs that were missing a main field
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21:59:34  <Domenic>that is sad
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22:04:07  <gorhgorh>substack a baguette it will be :p http://test.squatconf.eu/ nathan7 ping :p
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22:09:00  <pfraze>domanic, all the planned types in https://github.com/pfraze/eco are implemented and have passing tests
22:09:44  <pfraze>it needs a fuzz tester to verify more complex cases, so that'll be next
22:10:23  <domanic>wow, awesome!
22:11:50  <pfraze>if you get a chance to review the implementation, I'd be happy to get some criticisms
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22:15:11  <domanic>pfraze, send me an reminder email, I'm right about to go to bed.
22:15:17  <domanic>ttyl!
22:15:26  <pfraze>k, later!
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22:23:49  <nathan7>gorhgorh: pong
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22:24:23  <gorhgorh>just waiting for your edits now
22:24:30  <nathan7>oh, yar, I'll finish that up
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22:24:39  <nathan7>just had to pass by Maciej's to use his laptop charger for a bit
22:24:55  <gorhgorh>he he
22:25:32  <gorhgorh>it can wait, but you are the last on the chain before launch
22:27:10  <nathan7>I'm down to the Where / When section
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22:33:22  <nathan7>gorhgorh: Which repo was the one with the markdown? manifest?
22:33:49  <gorhgorh>yep
22:34:05  <nathan7>okay, porting my changes over to Markdown then [=
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22:39:30  <nathan7>gorhgorh: mind if I add myself to the list of people there?
22:39:41  <gorhgorh>ha ha sure
22:40:41  <gorhgorh>glad to have you here btw
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22:44:15  <nathan7>gorhgorh: Pushed!
22:44:23  <gorhgorh>thanks
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22:45:17  <nathan7>Copywriting is fun [=
22:45:26  <nathan7>especially with revolutionary aims :D
22:45:36  <gorhgorh>hé hé
22:46:27  <nathan7>I'm getting my ideas for a talk together
22:47:03  <gorhgorh>cool we definitly need that !
22:47:09  <nathan7>I realised I have a stillborn project from years ago that I can resurrect now that we have webtorrent and secure-scuttlebutt
22:47:21  <gorhgorh>and thank clearly more concise now
22:47:36  <gorhgorh>funny to see how french is my english :)
22:47:53  <nathan7>I kept a bunch of your style, I like the vibe it gives
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22:49:46  <nathan7>I'm tempted to fiddle with the email input box to make it authentic
22:49:52  <nathan7>with a raised white box and stuff
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22:51:10  <gorhgorh>go head :)
22:51:53  <nathan7>I need to be up in seven hours, I think I'll leave that for tomorrow q=
22:52:11  <gorhgorh>=)
22:52:14  <nathan7>have to ship my X240 in for repair and stuff
22:52:24  <nathan7>and they just tell me "a courier will appear between 9 and 5"
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22:52:31  <gorhgorh>anyway thanks
22:52:42  <nathan7>happy to help C=
22:52:51  <gorhgorh>ah ah i know the feeling
22:53:04  <nathan7>I can't wait for SquatCoooonf
22:53:09  <nathan7>this'll be like, my first conference talk
22:53:48  <nathan7>Will we have a projector by the way?
22:53:59  <nathan7>I could bring one of those tiny portable ones, they'd work well
22:54:05  <gorhgorh>I can't wait too and glad that you'll give your fist one there
22:54:15  <gorhgorh>yep we will
22:54:36  <gorhgorh>i have one worst case scenario but my hackerspace have good ones
22:54:54  <nathan7>I'm getting one of those pocket-sized projectors soon
22:55:07  <nathan7>they do 1080i and stuff, surprisingly enough
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22:56:12  <gorhgorh>yep i saw thoses, and remebered the old time with 3 colored lamp ones :)
22:56:21  <nathan7>hehe
22:56:25  <nathan7>DLP has changed times
22:56:59  <nathan7>I kinda want to build a stereolithographic printer with one of the tiny ones
22:57:49  <nathan7>gorhgorh: on a side note, how many people can we accomodate?
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22:58:42  <gorhgorh>this is one of the big question, as many as I can find chairs/couches for :)
22:58:47  <gorhgorh>50-100
23:01:05  <nathan7>lovely
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