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00:06:58  <domanic>substack, who will save us from DHH's FINIAL SOLUTION
00:08:12  <mikolalysenko_>I think dhh is a bit partisan on the subject of monoliths vs reusable components
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00:08:54  <mikolalysenko_>but at least he is on the record being consistently in favor of monoliths
00:10:26  <tbranyen>kinda sad that he can't be humble enough to acknowledge extremes
00:10:37  <tbranyen>that was a crazy thread
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00:13:53  <substack>"carefully evaluate and pick each individual components" -- DHH
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00:16:43  <mikolalysenko_>so, in retrospect why have php and rails really been successful?
00:16:52  <mikolalysenko_>is it really because they are monoliths?
00:18:14  <substack>good documentation, good marketing
00:18:27  <mikolalysenko_>hmm
00:19:08  <domanic>also they solved a problem lots of people had
00:19:35  <domanic>node isn't like that.
00:19:49  <mikolalysenko_>how so?
00:20:22  <domanic>node gets used for everything from games to robots.
00:20:38  <domanic>some people even use it for web apps.
00:20:41  <domanic>!!!
00:21:09  <domanic>rails *IS* webapps
00:21:24  <substack>not all webapps
00:21:29  <substack>only request/response
00:21:40  <domanic>you can compare node with ruby, but not node with rails.
00:21:59  <domanic>substack, I think they have some new bolt on for streams.
00:22:17  <domanic>in rails 4: bride of rails
00:23:15  <pfraze>php was really easy to setup, and came with a lot of low end hosting
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00:25:33  <mikolalysenko_>maybe they just got the right keywords/rankings in the search results
00:25:37  <mikolalysenko_>and then inertia took over
00:25:37  <domanic>php = Personal Home Page
00:25:49  <mikolalysenko_>it could all just be chaos
00:26:02  <domanic>php was just a bunch of perl scripts
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00:27:47  <pfraze>before VPSes were a thing, it was really common for hosts to only support php
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03:50:46  <kumavis>ogd: just arrived at narita
03:53:05  <ogd>kumavis: I'm walking around chiyoda bein a tourist waiting for my hotel to let me check in (2pm)
03:53:45  <ogd>kumavis: got plans tonight?
03:53:52  <kumavis>Nope
03:53:58  <kumavis>Want to get dinner?
03:55:58  <ogd>kumavis: sure yea
04:11:06  <ahdinosaur>interesting DHH thread. i do think the cohesion of monolithic frameworks is possible through decoupled modular frameworks, but it's true most developers can't handle or don't enjoy a tiny module wild west, they want something curated and packaged together that they can trust works and has good docs
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04:18:10  <kumavis>Ogd I'm staying in sugamo, heading there now
04:19:33  <kumavis>Asking waifu about dinner
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04:31:32  <kumavis>Restaurant with Tatami seating is best for galileo
04:33:44  <kumavis>I'll be back online in 1.5hr
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06:09:13  <kumavis>Ogd do you want to eat at our house? We are having Nabe
06:10:53  <kumavis>Hot pot
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06:36:15  <ogd>kumavis: sure!
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06:41:00  <kumavis>Ogd how's 5p sound ( in 1.5 hr )
06:41:06  <ogd>kumavis: +1
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06:41:32  <kumavis>How are you internetting now?
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06:42:21  <ogd>kumavis: hotel wifi, but i have t-mobile free international roaming + irccloud app on my phone
06:42:39  <kumavis>Ok nice
06:43:27  <kumavis>So come to sugamo station a little before 5 and ping me here
06:43:49  <kumavis>I'll come down and get you
06:43:51  <ogd>kumavis: k sounds good
06:43:57  <kumavis>It's close to the station
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07:44:37  <ogd>kumavis: I'm at the station!
07:46:46  <kumavis>Coming!
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22:11:56  <isaacs>substack: it's like aliens making out http://substack.neocities.org/polar.html#cmV0dXJuIE1hdGguc2luKHgrRGF0ZS5ub3coKS8xMDAwKSArIE1hdGguY29zKERhdGUubm93KCkvMTAwMDApICsgTWF0aC50YW4oeCk=
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22:20:36  <substack>isaacs: neat!
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22:52:42  <ogd>isaacs: hahahaha
22:52:55  <ogd>isaacs: or textbook reproduction diagrams, animated
22:56:25  <ogd>kumavis: im meeting up with some japanese/taiwanese developers for drinks/food at Shinhinomoto, 2 Chome-4-4 Yūrakuchō at 6:30PM
22:56:38  <ogd>kumavis: i looked into other cat themed trips and didnt find anything that suited my fancy
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23:10:58  <kumavis>ogd cool, i'd like to join you
23:11:12  <kumavis>ogd there were some trains out of the city we could sit on for a few hours
23:11:38  <kumavis>take us out near mt fuji
23:16:51  <kumavis>http://screeps.com/ multiplayer js programming game
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23:53:32  <thealphanerd>anyone know an elegant way to create a comma seperated list without a trailing comma using handlebars?
23:54:09  <kumavis>handlebars provides @index in the block context inside of #each
23:54:54  <kumavis>so prepend a comma unless index is zero
23:55:15  <kumavis>thealphanerd: make sense?
23:55:31  <thealphanerd>index is zero for the first item though isn’t it?
23:55:38  <thealphanerd>so would I have to test against length?
23:58:58  <kumavis>nah you prepend instead of append
23:59:06  <kumavis>b/c i think you cant do math in handlebars
23:59:15  <kumavis>like you cant do length-1 afaik
23:59:50  <thealphanerd>I’m printing out index right now
23:59:54  <thealphanerd>and the index is counting up