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00:17:27  <substack>thealphanerd: I haven't run into that problem in a long time on my machine
00:17:36  <substack>but some people complain about that now and then
00:17:58  <substack>the file watching APIs are super solid on linux but chokidar has lots of hacks to make it work on OSX/windows that break sometimes
00:18:26  <thealphanerd>chokidar has been outputting different objects for different files
00:18:34  <thealphanerd>but the weirdest has been that after I kill the server
00:18:36  <thealphanerd>and run npm ls
00:18:40  <substack>because OSX and windows are second-class platforms when it comes to low-level posix apis
00:18:44  <thealphanerd>it fails stating unmet dependenceis in chokidar
00:18:52  <thealphanerd>so I think it might be self destructing internally
00:18:59  <thealphanerd>going to try and find a reproducable case
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00:24:43  <thealphanerd>substack: does chokidar work on symlinked files?
00:24:52  <thealphanerd>is it possible that it is shitting the bed on modules that are npm linked?
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00:26:15  <domanic>substack, ogd http://voxeljs.com/
00:27:28  <domanic>^ it's broken you probably need to fix dns to use CNAME not point at IP
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01:41:22  <Wraithan>thealphanerd: I know that chrisdickinson has ran into issues with chokidar and I had a hard time getting them to merge and then later release a fix for file watching on odx
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01:41:41  <Wraithan>s/odx/osx
01:41:44  <thealphanerd>my team is losing their minds right now :(
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01:43:36  <thealphanerd>and come back to this tomorrow
01:43:39  <thealphanerd>refreshed
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07:33:18  <jjjohnny>mikolalysenko_: is there a guide to creating workshops like the wbegl one?
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07:58:35  <thealphanerd>+1 that worksopper was awesome
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14:43:28  <mikolalysenko_>hughsk: did it
14:43:40  <mikolalysenko_>err jjjohnny: hughsk did it
14:43:49  <mikolalysenko_>wow I am not typing right this morning
14:44:09  <mikolalysenko_>so the guide would basically be: do a bunch of hard work
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14:49:48  <jjjohnny>mikolalysenko_: HE DID WHAT?
14:51:04  <jjjohnny>sry caps
14:51:09  <jjjohnny>capsed yo ass
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16:35:40  <mikolalysenko_>hughsk did all of the heavy lifting on getting the workshopper together
16:35:46  <mikolalysenko_>for shader school and webgl workshop
16:36:05  <mikolalysenko_>I mostly worked on getting the content together
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18:44:05  <thealphanerd>chrisdickinson: I heard you experienced some weirdness with chokidar
18:44:11  <thealphanerd>not watching some files
18:44:13  <thealphanerd>is this true?
18:46:14  <thealphanerd>substack: https://github.com/Nikku/karma-browserify/issues/49#issuecomment-63104556
18:46:27  <thealphanerd>it looks like chokidar doesn’t watch symlinks by default
18:46:28  <thealphanerd>which breaks npm link
18:46:29  <thealphanerd>:(
18:46:50  <thealphanerd>that issue states a way we can skirt around it… I can put together a PR if you would be up for the change
18:48:17  <substack>thealphanerd: is there a better lib I can swap out for chokidar?
18:48:31  <thealphanerd>I can do some research on that
18:48:34  <substack>like perhaps https://www.npmjs.org/package/gaze does it properly
18:48:38  <thealphanerd>I don’t know if you saw this
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18:48:39  <thealphanerd>https://github.com/substack/watchify/issues/109
18:48:50  <thealphanerd>I think it is just how symlinks are handled on osx
18:48:55  <thealphanerd>as the problem is not happening on linux
18:48:56  <thealphanerd>:(
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18:49:33  <thealphanerd>or maybe it just doesn’t do symlinks at all
18:49:45  <thealphanerd>I should probably make a test repo with a couple cases / tests and run it on a few systems
18:49:49  <thealphanerd>will you be at oakland js tonight?
18:50:07  <thealphanerd>I’ll be in the east bay around 5:30 or so I think
18:50:19  <substack>no I'm in paris
18:50:32  <substack>I'll be around next week though
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18:51:38  <thealphanerd>kk
18:51:39  <thealphanerd>btw
18:51:40  <thealphanerd>https://github.com/substack/watchify/issues/82#issuecomment-52112897
18:51:42  <thealphanerd>issue to close :D
18:52:25  <thealphanerd>so it looks like symlinks are on the radar of the chokidar team
18:52:25  <thealphanerd>https://github.com/paulmillr/chokidar/issues/31
18:52:25  <thealphanerd>they are saying it should land in a couple days
18:53:31  <thealphanerd>would you be up for publishing a version of watchify with real paths being added as 2.1.1-symlink?
18:53:52  <thealphanerd>although I get it might be better to just actually solve the issue
18:53:56  <thealphanerd>I’ll explore gaze
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18:54:54  <terinjokes>thealphanerd: also note the differences in how file changes are announced by the OSes… OS X does it based on directories, IIRC
18:55:37  <thealphanerd>watchify is currently adding things on a per file bassi afaik
18:56:06  <thealphanerd>but I guess that is not the same as the lower level os announcement
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18:57:35  <terinjokes>i very briefly explored this realm, before leaving it to professionals :P
18:59:11  <thealphanerd>lol
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18:59:51  <thealphanerd>I finally got my team to fully adopt npm for module management
19:00:06  <thealphanerd>and npm link is making life hard right now
19:00:07  <thealphanerd>:(
19:00:34  <jjjohnny>somebody in here makes the definitive file watcher
19:00:46  <jjjohnny>made
19:00:49  <jjjohnny>who was it?
19:01:02  <jjjohnny>he posted about it getting a millions downloads recently
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19:02:23  <jjjohnny>https://www.npmjs.org/package/gaze
19:02:53  <jjjohnny>thealphanerd: ^
19:03:08  <thealphanerd>I’m in the process of converting watchify right now :D
19:04:22  <substack>updated http://substack.net/task_automation_with_npm_run with a snippet using onchange
19:05:35  <thealphanerd>I’m worried that this implementation might create some race conditions… but I’m going to do the naive approach and then refactor
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19:08:18  <jjjohnny>𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝕳𝔞𝔠𝔨𝔢𝔯'𝔰 𝕮𝔥𝔬𝔦𝔠𝔢.
19:08:45  <jjjohnny>substack: bug found in fraktur
19:08:48  <jjjohnny>see above
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19:10:23  <jjjohnny>jk but vim displays it just fine so thats cool
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19:10:59  <substack>𝕴 𝔱𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔨 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔭𝔯𝔬𝔟𝔩𝔢𝔪 𝔠𝔬𝔲𝔩𝔡𝔢 𝔯𝔢𝔰𝔱𝔢 𝔢𝔩𝔰𝔢𝔴𝔥𝔢𝔯𝔢.
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19:11:14  <substack>maybe irssi is to blame
19:12:39  <jjjohnny>hexaquestions
19:12:56  <substack>question everything
19:12:58  <substack>that's the subtext
19:13:01  <jjjohnny>hahaha
19:15:57  <jjjohnny>i think thats the supertext in this context
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19:26:15  <thealphanerd>substack: does browserify have an event when it is done parsing the ast?
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19:31:15  <substack>thealphanerd: there is no singular ast to parse
19:32:58  <terinjokes>hrm, no-op or noop2
19:33:11  <thealphanerd>I guess I meant when it is done parsing the dependency tree… specifically gaze is async and expects to be given a path, glob, or array of paths, and then it supplies a callback with the watcher. I was curious if it might be better to concat a list of all dependencies and then hand that off to gaze, rather than having a per file watcher. In retrospect that is probably a bad idea, in case people are added / removing files
19:33:50  <substack>thealphanerd: watchify lets browserify compute all of that by compiling the code
19:33:59  <substack>then it knows what to watch
19:34:31  <jjjohnny>terinjokes: noop generator
19:34:38  <thealphanerd>the first pass at introducing gaze broke the test suite… so I’m going to try and figure out what’s going on
19:34:47  <thealphanerd>watchify is super light, so it shouldn’t be an issue
19:34:50  <thealphanerd>brb
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19:53:29  <jjjohnny>currently listening to "Switched-on bach" on tape.
19:53:38  <jjjohnny>this calls for an emoji and a badge
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23:39:58  <domanic>mmalecki, !
23:40:03  <domanic>are you connected
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