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00:23:40  <kumavis>im looking for an orm
00:24:39  <kumavis>i want to manage relationships between types of objects in a multiplayer game
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00:33:04  <kumavis>i guess more orm's are fairly coupled to their dbs
00:33:12  <kumavis>most*
00:33:47  <kumavis>i think i just want a layer above json than handles relationships
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00:38:39  <substack>kumavis: i thought ORMs were just for writing SQL without writing SQL
00:38:49  <substack>from what I've seen they don't really handle relationships at all
00:39:12  <kumavis>maybe thats true
00:39:22  <kumavis>i think that is the common case
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00:40:15  <kumavis>going by the name "Object-relational mapping", i want something that handles serializing relations to ids and back
00:40:36  <kumavis>suppose i'll have to create it myself to get exactly what i want
00:44:28  <substack>I guess I don't see what that gives you compared to just keeping the IDs around yourself
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01:05:39  <kumavis>you're right i might just be creating complexity for myself
01:11:51  <kumavis>i do eventually want to expose this to others and its just a nicer interface to say entity.set('geometry',robotGeo)
01:12:40  <kumavis>geo = geometries[entity.get('geometry')]
01:16:43  <kumavis>some sort of feeling where i need to provide a more human interface to module consumers, which in turn makes the module more opinionated and heavy handed
01:19:40  <kumavis>major analysis paralysis here -- i suppose i should just choose the simplest implementation
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01:26:29  <kumavis>well happy new years, y'all
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01:40:46  <substack>I don't see why you would need an orm to make a set() function
01:40:56  <substack>robotGeo is just some data, right?
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03:55:13  <mafintosh>karissa: you gotta stay in portland until at least the 24th (when i leave) :)
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04:49:48  <karissa>mafintosh: ahh! yes. i'll stay until the 22nd i think. there's a thing on the 24th i've committed to
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21:52:34  <mikolalysenko_>kumavis: what are you trying to do with an orm?
21:53:38  <mikolalysenko_>(asking as someone who has never really understood exactly what problem orms solve)
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