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19:29:14  <ogd>substack: i cant believe the facebook guy used 'culture fit' as an attack on you omfg
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19:40:49  <substack>ogd: where?
19:40:56  <ogd>substack: in your gist comments
19:42:42  <substack>oh right
19:43:18  <substack>I think the browserify approach is very in line with the npm/node perspective, but other groups have different perspectives
19:43:34  <substack>about what characteristics make something "modular"
19:43:42  <ogd>yea theres no agreed-upon definition
19:43:58  <ogd>they think 'hey i have 40 files in lib/ that makes it modular, right? look at all these plugins too!'
19:44:39  <ogd>'just because it comes pre-composed and undocumented nothing is stopping you from theoretically re-composing it, even though nobody does that!'
19:44:46  <substack>discoverability is harder (at first) with the stackvm approach to modularity
19:45:11  <substack>but I think that downside is more than made up for by other characteristics like robustness and diversity of approach
19:45:32  <substack>and easy to grok, well documented in isolation, easier to repurpose
19:45:35  <ogd>webpack is like the yahoo homepage pre-google
19:45:50  <ogd>and browserify is like the internet post-google
19:45:55  <ogd>(e.g. after discovery is solved)
19:46:20  <dguttman>loved Raynos’s line: “The difference with the approach we advocate is that our modules are designed in isolation, documented in isolation and can be used in isolation.”
19:46:38  <substack>ogd: I torrented my brain to 27 people nonstop for 2 hours teaching bash yesterday :D
19:46:51  <ogd>substack: lol nice
19:46:53  <substack>and they all totally got it and followed along really well and asked great questions
19:46:55  <ogd>substack: are you recording these btw?
19:47:05  <substack>we did but the sd card filled up after 38 minutes :/
19:47:07  <ogd>substack: do hangouts on air
19:47:19  <ogd>substack: with screen sharing enabled + a good mic
19:47:27  <ogd>substack: then it goes straight to youtube automatically
19:47:44  <substack>I'll do that later to make up for the lost footage
19:47:56  <substack>heading down to sudo to teach vim today!
19:48:01  <substack>and help people with their projects
19:48:21  <substack>some of the projects are really cool: roomba hacking, a bbs, music art visualization
19:48:32  <ogd>whoa cool
19:48:54  <ogd>substack: see if you can join this and share your screen on linux https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYd50GpixwJ8sIPo1kqxgtCHqSasJYeK-2KyIKL-K3st-pdcyA?authuser=0&hl=en
19:49:38  <substack>what do I press to share my screen?
19:49:49  <ogd>substack: green button on the left
19:51:28  <ogd>substack: yea check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKyBKaLKlyQ&feature=youtu.be
19:52:45  <ogd>linux: it just works
19:52:56  <ogd>mk30: cc o/
19:53:07  <ogd>now we just need a high fidelity external mic
19:53:09  <substack>just works(tm)
19:54:41  <mk30>ogd whoaaa
19:54:51  <mk30>what am i looking at?
19:55:02  <mk30>sorry scrolling up
19:55:06  <mk30>i hear substack
19:55:24  <ogd>mk30: substack shared his screen and recorded his mic at the same time and we live broadcasted it to youtube
19:55:28  <mk30>i gotta go now too...cyberwizard day 3!
19:55:30  <mk30>that's great!
19:55:35  <ogd>mk30: https://plus.google.com/hangouts click 'start live hangout on air'
19:55:45  <ogd>mk30: do it for all teh things at cyberwizard plzs!!!
19:55:50  <mk30>hokay!
19:56:17  <mk30>we're gonna do vim vs emacs today
19:56:25  <mk30>and then later play with the irobot create ^_^
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19:56:41  <mk30>i gotta run - thanks for sharing this!
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