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22:05:43  <substack>domanic: are you going to be down in christchurch with your sailboat for the nz conf?
22:07:16  <domanic>substack, no, come up to auckland for a bit!
22:07:26  <domanic>the flight chch->alk is cheap!
22:08:11  <substack>will do!
22:08:16  <domanic>(it would be 1-2 weeks to sail down there!, and there would be A LOT of preparation to get the boat ready for such a journey)
22:08:52  <domanic>substack, how long will you be in NZ?
22:08:52  <substack>domanic: jake and I were just discussing solar contraptions
22:09:08  <substack>domanic: not sure yet! but the event in tunisia is the 2nd week of april
22:09:36  <domanic>ah very good, I'm gonna get a big solar panel for by boat
22:09:52  <substack>jake was saying a frenel lens + high power solar cell would be quite portable and cheap
22:10:24  <domanic>hmm
22:10:31  <substack>*fresnel
22:10:35  <domanic>what dimentions would the structure be?
22:10:51  <substack>the solar cells would fit in a small tin
22:11:06  <substack>and the lens is as big or small as you need
22:11:25  <substack>the cells convert at about 40% but they need a good heatsink
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22:12:33  <domanic>right, but how big is the lens?
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22:14:03  <substack>jake is telling me a 0.4m^2 lens would work well
22:15:30  <substack>full sun at full efficiency works out to be 160W
22:15:38  <substack>and a laptop is about 40W
22:21:46  <substack>and each cell produces 20W
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22:29:12  <domanic>substack, wow, one 0.4^2 lens? that is tiny!
22:29:26  <domanic>how deep does the package need to be?
22:29:35  <domanic>and does it need to be oriented?
22:29:48  <domanic>... or to move the cells?
22:31:40  <substack>it needs to be oriented yes, but it can be done with a graphical interface
22:31:48  <substack>to help the human get a good spot
22:32:14  <substack>also the entire thing can be deconstructed, the cells just need to be at the focal point of the lens
22:32:44  <substack>held in place with some sticks
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22:33:41  <domanic>substack, hmm, but does it need to be moved as the sun moves?
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22:34:35  <substack>domanic: yes
22:35:01  <substack>but tracking servos would add to the weight
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22:35:22  <substack>for traveling, although on a boat the constraints are different
22:35:27  <domanic>substack, ah... so it still works a little bit without orientation?
22:35:44  <substack>it needs to be relatively focused to get enough power to run a laptop
22:35:58  <domanic>right.
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