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00:56:57  <substack>thealphanerd: yes
00:57:06  <thealphanerd>cool if I pm you?
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01:01:46  <substack>go ahead
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04:40:16  <thealphanerd>has anyone played with smokestack?
04:40:17  <thealphanerd>https://npmjs.org/smokestack?
04:40:20  <thealphanerd>OMG tape testing heaven
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05:56:29  <kumavis>there was some module/cli for simplifying the process of authoring many modules at the same time but keeping them in a single git repo...
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14:37:43  <guybrush>mh lol i never wrote anything about hookio in this repository, i wonder if my npm-account hast been compromised or something :DD
14:38:00  <guybrush>https://www.npmjs.com/package/nexus
14:38:26  <guybrush>very strange, just looked at all the commits and i actually never mentioned hookio :D
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14:40:50  <guybrush>oh i see
14:41:01  <guybrush>somehow this readme is from very long ago
14:41:13  <guybrush>do i need to republish the package?
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18:53:18  <mikolalysenko>.... is this real? https://cukes.info/
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19:04:38  <terinjokes>mikolalysenko: yes
19:05:20  <mikolalysenko>oh
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19:16:51  <mikolalysenko>it seems like the main function of cucumber is psychological
19:17:12  <mikolalysenko>there is a lot of self hate in the process, kind of like a hazing ritual for a cult
19:17:34  <mikolalysenko>you have to write stuff like "As an idiot" or "As a fool"
19:18:15  <terinjokes>well, actually, it really only cares about Given, When, and Then
19:19:16  <mikolalysenko>so why does it have the other stuff?
19:19:22  * terinjokessinks back into his chair, embarrassed to know about cucumber
19:20:03  <terinjokes>context, just like you might write comments or plan names in unit tests
19:20:29  <mikolalysenko>alright
19:20:37  <mikolalysenko>maybe it is better to just drop it and move on
19:21:25  <terinjokes>we've been experimenting with cucumber, coming off another integration test runner, against the objections of the engineering manager (who thought it was annoying fluff) and so far have been pretty happy with reuse we've gotten out of the individual blocks.
19:21:55  <terinjokes>yes, it's not idiomatic javascript, but sometimes we just want to get work done and pick a tool that already seems to work :/
19:22:34  <mikolalysenko>ok. I feel bad for bringing this up. I thought it was an april fool's joke at first, but I guess it is a serious thing
19:22:45  <mikolalysenko>anyway test frameworks tend to get a bit religious/bike sheddy
19:25:59  <terinjokes>it's been in the ruby world for a long while
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20:34:37  <jjjohnny_>Lebron stack fan art ICYMI https://twitter.com/modulhaus3000/status/585524082277486592
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21:14:56  <kumavis>calvinmetcalf: hello
21:15:05  <kumavis>this might be an easier way to communicate
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21:54:19  <calvinmetcalf>kumavis: if (this._isBuffer(value) {'"' +
21:54:49  <kumavis>and then value.toString(enc) ?
21:55:15  <calvinmetcalf>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/cyPNkap0
21:55:20  <calvinmetcalf>sorry full is that
21:56:38  <calvinmetcalf>thus when decoding you can still run JSON.parse on it
21:57:36  <calvinmetcalf>kumavis: this is in reply to this thread https://github.com/calvinmetcalf/SQLdown/pull/18/files#diff-168726dbe96b3ce427e7fedce31bb0bcR161
22:01:12  <kumavis>yeah that was confusing b/c you appended the comment on _get while talking about _put
22:01:37  <calvinmetcalf>yeh was mobile at the time
22:01:52  <kumavis>np
22:02:26  <kumavis>so the snippet above works but you can't tell if its a string literal or a binary encoding
22:02:55  <calvinmetcalf>thats what I had been trying to say earlier
22:03:02  <calvinmetcalf>leveldown doesn't care
22:03:17  <kumavis>which is why i was suggesting the JSON-esque { type: 'Buffer', data: rawvalue.toString(bufferEncoding) }
22:03:49  <calvinmetcalf>yeah but i never intended for the {type:Buffer} in the first place
22:04:02  <calvinmetcalf>that was me accedentally passing a buffer to JSON.stringify
22:04:43  <kumavis>so i anticipate things not roundtripping correctly with the current scheme
22:05:05  <kumavis>b/c you can _put a string or a buffer
22:05:06  <calvinmetcalf>if you pass it in as a buffer
22:05:17  <calvinmetcalf>it gets turned into a utf string
22:05:18  <kumavis>but when we pull it out, we dont know what it was
22:05:41  <calvinmetcalf>kumavis: right you have to set the value encoding
22:05:51  <calvinmetcalf>we store everything as a string
22:05:56  <calvinmetcalf>no mater how it was put in
22:06:05  <kumavis>right i get that
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22:06:15  <kumavis>but on read how do we know what encoding it was written with
22:06:25  <calvinmetcalf>we don't
22:06:33  <calvinmetcalf>we don't care if it was written in as a string
22:06:37  <calvinmetcalf>or written in as a buffer
22:06:43  <calvinmetcalf>we normilize them all to the same encoding
22:06:50  <calvinmetcalf>*normalize
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22:07:44  <kumavis>so i can only see that working if on _put we turn strings into a buffer first and then we use our encoding to re stringify it
22:09:21  <calvinmetcalf>doing a put('hello' and a put(new Buffer('hello') should work without restringifying
22:09:38  <kumavis>assuming we're utf8 encoding the buffer
22:09:39  <kumavis>but
22:09:46  <kumavis>binary does not correctly roundtrip as utf8
22:09:53  <kumavis>thats the kicker
22:10:21  <calvinmetcalf>you sure about that ?
22:10:29  <kumavis>yeah it was a painful discovery
22:11:47  <calvinmetcalf>so
22:12:27  <calvinmetcalf>i know sometimes it cant be sent and round tripped through something else
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22:14:16  <calvinmetcalf>but new Buffer(buffer.toString()) should end up ok
22:14:34  <calvinmetcalf>bear in mind we also have to deal with binary keys
22:14:52  <calvinmetcalf>where base64 isn't possible because it won't sort the same
22:15:35  <kumavis>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/WQIyvrFa
22:16:20  <kumavis>ah the key sorting is an interesting concern -- what is expected behaviour there?
22:16:48  <calvinmetcalf>lexical order in utf8
22:17:01  <kumavis>keys should be ok utf8 encoded b/c they dont need to roundtrip, they only need to resolve (i think)
22:18:06  <kumavis>sorry i left off the measurements in that snippet
22:18:11  <kumavis>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/YWx4Juki
22:19:26  <calvinmetcalf>so using crypto.randomBytes instead of getRandomBuffer
22:20:31  <calvinmetcalf>ah fuck your right
22:20:33  <calvinmetcalf>hex it is then
22:21:08  <calvinmetcalf>wait no
22:21:10  <calvinmetcalf>'binary'
22:21:13  <calvinmetcalf>sorts correctly
22:21:16  <calvinmetcalf>er
22:21:21  <calvinmetcalf>round trips correctly
22:23:23  <kumavis>hmmm, didnt realize that was an ption
22:23:25  <kumavis>hmmm, didnt realize that was an option
22:24:19  <calvinmetcalf>its what all the crypto stuff uses
22:24:26  <calvinmetcalf>its I think an alias for ascii
22:25:37  <kumavis>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hiHv05XG
22:25:52  <kumavis>so yeah binary wins
22:26:04  <kumavis>awesome
22:26:44  <kumavis>calvinmetcalf: you said 'binary' sorts the keys correctly as well?
22:27:26  <calvinmetcalf>it should might have to test it a bit first
22:27:45  <kumavis>well like i said we dont have to rt keys
22:27:50  <kumavis>so utf8 is fine for keys
22:28:32  <kumavis>calvinmetcalf: anything else you need for wanderer (null_radix)'s PR ?
22:31:08  <calvinmetcalf>yeah we still need to get rid of https://github.com/calvinmetcalf/SQLdown/pull/18/files#diff-168726dbe96b3ce427e7fedce31bb0bcR161 and we probably should put the binary encoding stuff in now that you reminded me of the round trip issue
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22:32:26  <kumavis>k ill make a PR that builds on his latest stuff
22:34:09  <calvinmetcalf>yeah on that note I must be off
22:34:24  <calvinmetcalf>but thank you for the help
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