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01:22:26  <feross>does anyone know a module that contains a list of pointless OS files like .DS_Store and Thumbs.db that should be excluded when uploading files?
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01:35:31  <dguttman>https://github.com/sindresorhus/junk
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16:49:49  <domanic>calvinmetcalf, hey do you know of any other streaming mac protocols?
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17:34:05  <calvinmetcalf>domanic: tls in chacha20/poly1305 or aes-gcm could be considered one
17:35:22  <domanic>calvinmetcalf, sorry - to clarify - I mean a protocol where you can stream data in, and get authenticated data out in real time
17:35:47  <domanic>like your hmac-stream, but poly1305 needs to buffer the whole session to authenticate it
17:36:15  <domanic>it's a stream cipher... but it's not streaming authentication
17:36:57  <calvinmetcalf>so tls with aes-gcm or chacha20/poly1305 is a streaming authenticated encryption
17:37:09  <calvinmetcalf>as it handles the framing for you
17:38:45  <domanic>yeah, it's the framing that I'm interested in right now
17:40:26  <calvinmetcalf>https://iojs.org/api/tls.html#tls_tls_createsecurepair_context_isserver_requestcert_rejectunauthorized
17:40:28  <domanic>calvinmetcalf, question: what advantage does a polynomial authenticator (eg poly1305) have over a hmac?
17:42:14  <substack>yessss just got peernet search working
17:42:22  <domanic>it seems to me that it's used for the same role? is it just perfomance? in that why not use poly1305 as a hash?
17:42:40  <substack>with a test, now need to bake up some more pathological test cases
17:42:51  <calvinmetcalf>domanic: performance I think
17:43:17  <substack>domanic: https://github.com/substack/peernet/issues/2
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17:43:30  <substack>I remember you were also looking at p2p webrtc signaling
17:43:37  <domanic>calvinmetcalf, hmm - so why not use polynomial authenticators for a hash?
17:44:09  <calvinmetcalf>domanic: because it's not a hash it's a mac
17:44:50  <calvinmetcalf>poly1305 would be more equivalent to an hmac not a straight up hash
17:44:58  <domanic>right, because it takes a key
17:45:08  <domanic>but you could use a standard key and youd have a hash.
17:45:22  <domanic>as long as it was collision resistant and unreversable
17:45:53  <calvinmetcalf>domanic: it very well might be ok, but poly1305 (and ghash from gcm) were designed with narrower security goals in mind
17:46:10  <calvinmetcalf>and it might be open to all kinds of attacks if you can predict the key or something
17:46:29  <domanic>right
17:47:34  <domanic>so it's safe to use a hashes to build a mac (i.e. hmac) but not necessarily a mac to build a hash
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17:52:13  <calvinmetcalf>well note that it's only safe to use hashes to build a mac very carfully in order to avoid pitfalls like length extention
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18:03:14  <domanic>of course
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18:22:14  <domanic>calvinmetcalf, I'm sensing that tls is vulnerable to the bug I described on hmac-stream too, but I can't the right spec to say for sure
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18:45:11  <calvinmetcalf>I think max packet length is low enough that that isn't an exploitable issue
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19:14:30  <mafintosh>domanic: i'm heading to labitat on frederiksberg
19:14:46  <mafintosh>domanic: its a hackerspace.
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19:20:14  <domanic>mafintosh, I think I'm gonna stay in tonight, tomorrow though!
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19:37:03  <calvinmetcalf>domanic: https://github.com/calvinmetcalf/hmac-stream/pull/6
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19:38:18  <domanic>calvinmetcalf, ah I saw you where working on that
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