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14:56:46  <mikolalysenko>is there a survey of all the different onramp/signalling mechanisms for webrtc?
14:57:20  <mikolalysenko>there are so many libs now it is hard to figure out what is worth using and what they all do
15:05:34  <kanzure>i wonder which webrtc library the webtorrent person used
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15:08:34  <domanic>kanzure, mikolalysenko https://github.com/feross/simple-peer
15:13:42  <kanzure>looks right
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15:15:47  <mikolalysenko>the signaling side still confuses me a bit
15:15:56  <mikolalysenko>I guess you use signal hub or peernet for that?
15:16:18  <mikolalysenko>also is there some list of stun and/or turn servers?
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15:18:52  <rom1504>don't think so
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17:07:53  <jjjohnny>substack: hyperboot eats dom events targeted at my app's document.body
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17:11:46  <jjjohnny>substack: what do you think is best approach for watching + watchifying hyperboot?
17:12:22  <jjjohnny>guess its not really practical to rebundle the app and version bump every save
17:12:55  <jjjohnny>but iterating and testing within hyperboot is required
17:15:39  <jjjohnny>looks like it eats drag and drop events to any of my elements, not only the body
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17:28:08  <substack>jjjohnny: everything lives in an iframe
17:28:20  <substack>jjjohnny: it's best to develop your app like usual outside of hyperboot
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17:43:06  <jjjohnny>ok, but what about the events. bug?
17:44:29  <substack>probably
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17:49:27  <ogd>mikolalysenko: there are many free stun servers, but no free turn servers. twilio has a paid stun/turn service that is pretty cheap unless your app goes viral
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18:36:59  <jjjohnny>https://www.npmjs.com/package/file-button
18:37:03  <jjjohnny>module of the day
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18:55:02  <substack>finally got some peer introductions working over peernet
18:55:13  <substack>but the wrtc library keeps segfaulting
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19:20:48  <jjjohnny>substack: i kinda think we should use webrtc in the cluoud where it aint necessary
19:20:54  <jjjohnny>should not*
19:21:29  <jjjohnny>i know that aint exactly DRY
19:22:42  <jjjohnny>like using webRTC on the server
19:22:57  <jjjohnny>i presume thats where the segfault lies
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20:04:40  <substack>jjjohnny: it's still necessary to bootstrap the network
20:04:55  <substack>you can't just have browsers
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20:29:03  <jjjohnny>substack: i mean, for the servers in the cloud connecting to clients, use sockets or http, not webRTC
20:29:25  <jjjohnny>idk if that is pertinent
20:31:15  <substack>that's true
20:31:22  <substack>much easier to test in node though
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23:28:41  <rom1504>yeah wrtc have several issues https://github.com/feross/webtorrent-hybrid/issues/5
23:34:59  <substack>rom1504: thanks, I'll look into that lib
23:35:16  <substack>maybe I can expose the webrtc api through it via message passing
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