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07:08:19  <jjjohnny>fuck
07:08:40  <jjjohnny>i installed latest node and now some deps can't be found
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07:47:03  <jjjohnny>wtf is the difference between v8-3.14 and node-v14?
07:47:32  <jjjohnny>node abi - platform
07:52:48  <jjjohnny>fucking promises made me do this
07:53:08  <jjjohnny>some module needed promises and now my whole trip is fucked
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08:17:55  <jjjohnny>did something big happen to node-gyp recently?
08:22:59  * jjjohnnyretreats to old version
08:23:04  <jjjohnny>success
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13:50:18  <jcrugzz>ogd: ill have a bug fix to review on `atomic-queue`. Might take me a bit longer for the test case as its a racey thing but ill get to it later, just want to make sure this is the right fix
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17:28:26  <jcrugzz>ogd: https://github.com/maxogden/atomic-queue/pull/2
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17:28:57  <jcrugzz>id like an extra set of eyes before i merge and publish if you have a minute
18:14:54  <rom1504>http://tinyurl.com/l2o84ch
18:16:26  <ogd>jcrugzz: on it
18:21:42  <ogd>mikolalysenko: i wanna make a site like arewefastyet but canjavascriptdoscienceyet
18:28:38  <ogd>jcrugzz: LGTM
18:49:25  <jcrugzz>ogd: thanks
19:06:52  <ogd>wrote up a rant https://gist.github.com/maxogden/e81e0f1d222106146828
19:10:00  <jjjohnny>did 0.12.6 break nativity?
19:19:51  <jfhbrook>ogd: I'm not particularly passionate about it, but I can see the value in that. The problem, I think, is whether there's sufficient business value to drive that
19:21:05  <jfhbrook>ogd: like, setting up build farms costs money, so for, say, npm inc, to build this, they'd have to justify it in terms of money. So does The Enterprise need this? Probably not, they deploy to relatively homogenous clouds (ie AWS) and have the engineering know-how to pre-compile their applications on the same architecture using jenkins or similar
19:21:31  <jfhbrook>ogd: so you have to fall back to The Community, and hope that you can scrape together the cash to do this kind of thing at scale, which is hard!
19:22:02  <jjjohnny>crowd fund
19:22:54  <jfhbrook>ogd: like, just look at how not-great we are at running wzrd.in and extrapolate from there. None of us has had the time/inclination, for instance, to make wzrd.in horizontally scalable, or to set up continuous deployment, or put a real CDN in front of it, or...
19:23:53  <jjjohnny>native addons have spread tho, such as into the hardware world
19:24:05  <jfhbrook>given the success of nodjatso's npm funding drive, you probably could swing that if you made people feel like you were sufficiently trustworthy
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19:24:38  <jjjohnny>use all the various .js communities and the nodeschool.io community to crowd fund, and then hire modulhaus, done deal
19:24:40  <jfhbrook>and if you generalize the offering a little you probably *could* get the enterprise interested---after all, setting up jenkins to pre-build modules isn't *fun* per se
19:26:00  <jjjohnny>get money from the new node foundation
19:26:13  <jfhbrook>what is this the PTA?
19:26:23  <jjjohnny>basically
19:26:35  <jfhbrook>you mind if I quote that on twitter
19:26:43  <jjjohnny>not at all
19:27:15  <jfhbrook>hah, done
19:27:59  <jjjohnny>jfhbrook: i do mind responding in the negative to respond in the positive
19:28:19  <jfhbrook>hah
19:28:32  <jfhbrook>I know that feel
19:28:38  <jfhbrook>englilsh amirite
19:29:34  <jjjohnny>yeah im trynna train that one out tho for real
19:30:04  <jjjohnny>you are now a disciple, go forth and troll
19:32:18  <jjjohnny>for it is our pleasure to respond in the positive
19:33:45  <jfhbrook>I still feel like if a business case can be made for pre-building binaries then a lot of these problems will go away
19:37:35  <jjjohnny>make business out of free open source software
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