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00:05:37  <freeman-lab>ogd: cool i'll head over after talking to mikola
00:09:36  <ogd>freeman-lab: cool ping me when you leave i might redirect you
00:10:00  <ogd>freeman-lab: i emailed the ohsu people
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01:01:46  <freeman-lab>ogd: oh great, i'm ready to head out now
01:01:59  <ogd>freeman-lab: cool mafintosh and i are at Heart Coffee on e burnside
01:03:24  <freeman-lab>ogd: cool be there soon
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07:47:04  <substack>getting pretty close to a working prototype of the new webtorrent/swarmlog powered hyperboot
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11:50:46  <substack>all the swarmbot pieces are finished, now to call swarmbot rpc from hyperboot
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15:44:25  <jfhbrook>ogd: did you know about esnextb.in ? https://github.com/jfhbrook/wzrd.in/pull/120
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17:59:19  <noffle>substack: I'd like to hear more about the architecture from a higher level -- following individual module progress is more challenging to grok the big picture. I liked your write-up for peermaps arch you did a while back.
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18:31:35  <bret>yeah that was great
18:40:17  <noffle>I've started including a '## background' section in my module readmes to give this kind of context for use and motivation, since it can be hard to grok the intent of highly specialized modules
18:40:21  <noffle>e.g. https://github.com/noffle/ipfs-hyperlog
18:41:46  <yangwao>ipfs-hyperlog \o/
18:44:50  <ogd>freeman-lab: we are at bunk sandwiches at se 6th and Morrison
19:00:13  <freeman-lab>ogd: sweet heading over!
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19:12:25  <bret>ogd/mafintosh how long are you going to be in pdx?
19:28:54  <mafintosh>bret: until mid march
19:28:54  <ogd>bret: why do you ask
19:35:36  <bret>cause i want to come bug you about hyperdrive dat stuff and it would be cool if you were both in town :p
19:35:44  <bret>rad!
19:48:26  <mafintosh>bret: ah cool!
20:11:12  <noffle>mafintosh: are you coming down to the bay area as well?
20:11:23  <mafintosh>noffle: yea mid march
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20:19:36  <noffle>oh nice! we should meet up in oakland or sf :)
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20:45:08  <mafintosh>noffle: yes that'd be great
20:45:21  <noffle>how long will you be in town for?
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20:51:38  <pfraze>noffle: I'll be in that weekend as well
20:52:04  <noffle>pfraze: oh awesome!
20:52:11  <pfraze>last I remember the plan is to mix beer and coffee in a pot and have a drink-off
20:53:20  <pfraze>(or, you know, a normal drinkup)
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21:21:30  <substack>noffle: the basic idea is to mirror everything posted to a hyperlog, including magnet links, dat links, ipfs links
21:21:57  <substack>the first thing I'm going to use that for is hosting html files for hyperboot
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21:22:50  <substack>then I'm going to build some youtube/soundcloud style websites that publish metadata to the feed and link to large files with magnets/ipfs/dats/whatever
21:22:58  <substack>sbots hopefully too
21:24:06  <substack>and then, it will be easy for anyone to make a p2p soundcloud/youtube thing as a hyperboot app with a decentralized hosting model that is very difficult to shut down
21:24:15  <substack>so long as people are hosting their content
21:24:20  <substack>or other users are
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21:32:11  <noffle>excellent. it sounds like you/ipfs/ssb are all converging on very similar systems.
21:33:20  <noffle>multiaddresses (https://github.com/jbenet/multiaddr) might be a good linking scheme if you're expecting a pretty diverse variety of link types
21:45:14  <noffle>substack: will the merkle dag structure itself also be stored somewhere (e.g. mainline dht)? or is it on the peers in the swarmlog to maintain it?
21:48:33  <substack>stored by the peers
21:50:23  <noffle>hm. it could be more durable if the merkle dag itself was stored in (dat|ssb|ipfs|bittorrent), no? otherwise you run the risk of the dag structure of the content being lost if all peers go away for a while
21:50:34  <noffle>(thinking about this from an ipfs pov)
21:51:35  <noffle>ipfs stores the merkle dag, and then doesn't need to consider content as separate -- everything is just a merkle node with merkle links coming out of it
21:52:55  <noffle>(sorry, it's true that the dag structure is lost in ipfs too if all nodes go away. the point I was trying to make is that content is not divorced from dag structure)
21:58:11  <substack>it seems like the same structure, I need to think about it
21:59:40  <bret>sounds really rad substack
22:00:26  <bret>noffle: it would be cool to put together a visual comparison between {dat|ssb|ipfs|bittorrent}
22:00:57  <bret>not sure how it would look but it seems like some kind of visual representation would be helpful
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