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| <mafintosh> | mappum: around? |
| 11:26:55
| <mafintosh> | mappum: i've figured out that why i try to run electron-webrtc on my ubuntu server it gives me this error, /tmp/test/node_modules/electron-eval/node_modules/electron-prebuilt/dist/electron: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:27:16
| <mafintosh> | mappum: i've installed xvfb |
| 11:27:29
| <mafintosh> | is there something else i should do? |
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| <mappum> | there are some other packages required for electron, but they have usually been already preinstalled on the Ubuntu servers I've tried. You can check out the .travis.yml for a list of packages to install: https://github.com/mappum/electron-eval/blob/master/.travis.yml |
| 16:33:03
| <mappum> | In that case it looks like maybe libgtk2.0-dev? |
| 16:33:29
| <mappum> | What version of Ubuntu and what provider are you on? |
| 16:33:38
| <mappum> | mafintosh: ^ |
| 16:37:48
| <mafintosh> | mappum: 14.04 server |
| 16:37:58
| <mafintosh> | on digital ocean |
| 16:39:07
| <mappum> | Hm, that's what I use and usually most of the deps are installed already |
| 16:39:23
| <mappum> | Did you create that droplet a long time ago or anything? |
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| 19:01:49
| <mikolalysenko> | this module does streams wrong: https://github.com/fluent-ffmpeg/node-fluent-ffmpeg |
| 19:02:37
| <mikolalysenko> | instead of returning a stream as some output that you can pipe or redirect or whatever, instead it has this crazy output() method in its complicated fluent interface |
| 19:02:53
| <mikolalysenko> | so you have to pass your stream into output() then internally it pipes |
| 19:02:59
| <mikolalysenko> | but you can only pass one stream in |
| 19:03:23
| <mikolalysenko> | also it is weird, I can't figure out how it decides to execute the command |
| 19:06:06
| * toddself | changed nick to toddself_zz |
| 19:08:03
| <mikolalysenko> | before I was on the fence, but now I am convinced fluent interfaces are a terrible idea |
| 19:08:12
| <mikolalysenko> | that module has pushed me over the edge |
| 19:10:55
| <substack> | fluent interfaces were the "I heard react was good" of 2008 |
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| <mikolalysenko> | it is just dumb. you can pass a config object as input instead |
| 19:25:04
| <mikolalysenko> | also fluent interfaces create more state, since they basically work by setting config flags and mutating switches |
| 19:25:41
| <mikolalysenko> | they are a source of completely gratuitous complexity in the rich hickey sense of the term |
| 19:25:58
| <mikolalysenko> | and honestly I don't even think they save you any key strokes when you are using them either |
| 19:26:13
| <mikolalysenko> | so it is really debatable that fluent interfaces make life any easier |
| 19:26:42
| <mikolalysenko> | I guess they look "cute"? that's pretty much the only thing to recommend them |
| 19:27:19
| <substack> | you can make code poetry, see also: ruby |
| 19:28:03
| <mikolalysenko> | oh yes, that is such a great idea |
| 19:28:55
| <mikolalysenko> | like the more I think about it now, the more I realize that every fluent interface I've ever used has just made my code worse |
| 19:29:37
| <substack> | programmers get bored at work and need something to play with that isn't bad enough to catastrophically affect their work output |
| 19:32:24
| <jfhbrook> | I just do twitter when I'm bored at work |
| 19:32:34
| <jfhbrook> | but I also just, kinda |
| 19:32:36
| <jfhbrook> | stopped |
| 19:32:39
| <jfhbrook> | being excited about code |
| 19:33:46
| <mikolalysenko> | that sucks |
| 19:33:51
| <jfhbrook> | yeah |
| 19:34:02
| <jfhbrook> | and I'm pretty sure my team doesn't like me anymore too |
| 19:34:15
| <jfhbrook> | I have to get out of here but I haven't really accepted that, and I'm skeptical that elsewhere can actually be better |
| 19:34:22
| <mikolalysenko> | can you take a break? |
| 19:34:34
| <jfhbrook> | I took a ragecation in march |
| 19:34:42
| <mikolalysenko> | oh that's a new term |
| 19:35:24
| <mikolalysenko> | where'd you end up going? |
| 19:35:55
| <noffle> | jfhbrook: that's rough |
| 19:36:03
| <jfhbrook> | nowhere mikolalysenko |
| 19:36:09
| <jfhbrook> | well that's kind of a lie |
| 19:36:14
| <jfhbrook> | my sister was in town the first weekend |
| 19:36:32
| <jfhbrook> | so we made a trip to coney island, but it was too early for anything to be open and the aquarium got *fucked* during Sandy |
| 19:36:38
| <substack> | code itself isn't very interesting, it's what you can do with code that is interesting |
| 19:36:39
| <jfhbrook> | but we had a good time, it was a nice day |
| 19:36:46
| <jfhbrook> | I build slideshows |
| 19:37:14
| <jfhbrook> | I've engineered some decent stuff |
| 19:37:20
| <jfhbrook> | but it's hard to do when nobody wants to work with me |
| 19:37:28
| <jfhbrook> | or listen to my thoughts and concerns |
| 19:37:49
| <jfhbrook> | it doesn't help that these things make me irritable and upset, and it shows, and just reinforces that |
| 19:38:17
| <mikolalysenko> | are you in an open plan office? |
| 19:38:24
| <jfhbrook> | yeah |
| 19:38:28
| <mikolalysenko> | I tried working in one of those once, but only lasted like 3 months |
| 19:38:40
| <mikolalysenko> | it was horrible, drove me crazy and I couldn't concentrate or work |
| 19:38:42
| <jfhbrook> | I'm not the sort of person that gets upset by open office plans |
| 19:38:45
| <mikolalysenko> | got really irritable and stressed out |
| 19:38:46
| <jfhbrook> | I do good in them |
| 19:38:57
| <jfhbrook> | it's not the open office plan, it's getting blown off and avoided by my coworkers |
| 19:39:12
| <mikolalysenko> | maybe they're stressed out from the open plan office |
| 19:39:36
| <jfhbrook> | maybe, but I think they're okay with it too |
| 19:39:43
| <jfhbrook> | like, good example |
| 19:39:45
| <jfhbrook> | this AM |
| 19:39:54
| <jfhbrook> | 2 coworkers start talking about a weird getter |
| 19:40:07
| <jfhbrook> | like a ` get thing() { return {}; }` situation |
| 19:40:27
| <jfhbrook> | I hear them talking and try to interject, and granted what I said was kinda lame, something like, oh you can totally have both a setter and a getter |
| 19:40:34
| <jfhbrook> | "ya we know *ignore*" coworker says |
| 19:40:56
| <jfhbrook> | later, 3 of them are talking and I'm like "wait why do we need a getter" and absolutely no acknowledgement that I said anything at all |
| 19:41:12
| <jfhbrook> | and like, fine, I started talking while someone else is talking, and that's bad, and I get that |
| 19:41:15
| <jfhbrook> | but jesus fucking christ |
| 19:41:52
| <mikolalysenko> | offices just suck |
| 19:42:05
| <mikolalysenko> | but at least if you got your own room you can just shut all that stuff out |
| 19:42:19
| <jfhbrook> | but I don't *want* to just headphone up and ignore everybody |
| 19:42:25
| <mikolalysenko> | well yeah |
| 19:42:36
| <jfhbrook> | I've been doing that since my ragecation, excepting for the 3 weeks I grabbed the one nice coworker to help me with the uri lookup system |
| 19:42:40
| <mikolalysenko> | and you kind of have to pay attention to that stuff in an open plan office because it is politically important |
| 19:42:46
| <jfhbrook> | it makes it really hard to grab work because a lot of it is collaborative |
| 19:42:56
| <jfhbrook> | and I *want* to collaborate, but not with people that fucking blow me off |
| 19:43:03
| <mikolalysenko> | see, this is exactly why those environments are terrible though |
| 19:43:12
| <jfhbrook> | it's not a function of open/closed though |
| 19:43:17
| <jfhbrook> | it's a function of my teammates being shitbags |
| 19:43:37
| <jfhbrook> | if we all had private offices we'd still have to find and talk to each other to get group work done |
| 19:45:07
| <mikolalysenko> | shit baggery can still happen regardless how stuff is set up, but at least if you have your own space you can ignore it |
| 19:45:36
| <jfhbrook> | only if you never want to work as a team on stuff |
| 19:45:37
| <jfhbrook> | or pair |
| 19:45:45
| <jfhbrook> | or design something collaboratively |
| 19:45:54
| <mikolalysenko> | you can still do that if you want |
| 19:46:04
| <jfhbrook> | but you *have* to |
| 19:46:10
| <jfhbrook> | everyone acting like a lone wolf doesn't work |
| 19:46:29
| <jfhbrook> | at least not if *everyone*'s acting like a lone wolf |
| 19:47:19
| <mikolalysenko> | different strokes for different folks I guess |
| 19:47:49
| <jfhbrook> | it's a matter of engineering |
| 19:48:07
| <mikolalysenko> | for me the open floor plan stuff drives me crazy |
| 19:48:10
| <substack> | same |
| 19:48:12
| <jfhbrook> | but that's incidental |
| 19:48:15
| * toddself_zz | changed nick to toddself |
| 19:48:19
| <jfhbrook> | you can have private offices and still have this problem |
| 19:48:23
| <substack> | I feel like I get a ton of collaborative work done over irc and github |
| 19:48:27
| <jfhbrook> | you can be entirely remote and still have this problem |
| 19:48:35
| <toddself> | hi josh. i had the same problems there :) |
| 19:48:37
| <toddself> | you can. i realized i didn't really like working with such large teams |
| 19:48:42
| <toddself> | and that was my main issue |
| 19:48:45
| <jfhbrook> | my team's only 4 people toddself |
| 19:48:57
| <toddself> | you on a new team? or did it get smaller? |
| 19:49:26
| <jfhbrook> | re-scoped toddself |
| 19:49:32
| <toddself> | but even having to interact with a ton of various other teams |
| 19:49:36
| <toddself> | each with their own agenda |
| 19:49:41
| <toddself> | was getting me down |
| 19:49:51
| <jfhbrook> | so like copilot itself is like 30 people at this point, but the immediate "api team" is me, ryan, aaren, trev and this dude matt you've never met |
| 19:50:05
| <toddself> | then again, having only two developers for the entire project we work on is also hard, but like, i'd rather have that difficulty |
| 19:50:13
| <toddself> | oh that's not so bad at least |
| 19:50:28
| <jfhbrook> | well except that aaren and matt don't want to work with me |
| 19:50:32
| <toddself> | ugh |
| 19:50:39
| <toddself> | is ed doing what nick was doing now? |
| 19:50:46
| <toddself> | (job wise not action wise) |
| 19:50:57
| <jfhbrook> | I, uhh |
| 19:51:00
| <jfhbrook> | not quite |
| 19:51:11
| <jfhbrook> | but kind of |
| 19:51:23
| <toddself> | hah |
| 19:51:27
| <jfhbrook> | so like ed was originally in charge of "platform engineering" I think, now he's VPoE or whatever |
| 19:51:42
| <jfhbrook> | maybe Director of Engineering? idk, titles, u noe |
| 19:51:49
| <jfhbrook> | but it's like him, and then a director of product |
| 19:52:02
| <jfhbrook> | and a "director of 'data'" |
| 19:52:12
| <jfhbrook> | and those 3 report to the CHIEF DIGITAL OFFICER |
| 19:52:13
| <toddself> | hahah |
| 19:52:23
| <toddself> | i direct data all day! |
| 19:52:30
| <jfhbrook> | well like I get why that position exists |
| 19:52:43
| <jfhbrook> | CN has data left and right and none of it can be cross-correlated and used to do anything interesting right now |
| 19:52:47
| <toddself> | the most important question i have though |
| 19:52:53
| <toddself> | is can you center text in copilot? |
| 19:52:54
| <jfhbrook> | also we have our own event tracking framework/team now |
| 19:52:58
| <jfhbrook> | hahahahahahahahaha |
| 19:53:03
| <jfhbrook> | probably |
| 19:53:04
| <toddself> | opooooh that's something i would have actually wanted to do |
| 19:53:29
| <jfhbrook> | like obviously markdown doesn't have centering, but there's a concept of, like |
| 19:53:34
| <jfhbrook> | sections with display hints |
| 19:53:35
| <jfhbrook> | now |
| 19:53:40
| <toddself> | oh cool |
| 19:54:46
| <toddself> | did y'all end up open sourcing any of it? |
| 19:54:53
| <jfhbrook> | fuck no |
| 19:55:11
| <toddself> | oh man |
| 19:55:13
| <jfhbrook> | open sourcing would mean we'd have to care about shipping a non-specific platform where features have to be decoupled from the start |
| 19:55:25
| <jfhbrook> | Ed's talked a big line about it but I just don't buy it, I'll believe it when I see it |
| 19:55:34
| <toddself> | ageed |
| 19:55:43
| <toddself> | that was one of the big things that got me to work there |
| 19:55:57
| <toddself> | so jason just let me take over the modules i cared about because he said it didn't seem like it was really going to hapopen |
| 19:56:10
| <jfhbrook> | jason? |
| 19:56:30
| <toddself> | my old boss. jason rodrigeuz. he's probably gone now? |
| 19:56:38
| <jfhbrook> | oh, yeah he split some time ago |
| 19:56:49
| <jfhbrook> | I think he got pushed out during a reorg |
| 19:56:52
| <jfhbrook> | you know how it goes |
| 19:57:02
| <toddself> | when i told him thorsten was leaving and the next day i was leaving he said he was looking too lol |
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| <jfhbrook> | toddself: ryan just threatened to fire me |
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| <toddself> | ugh] |
| 20:52:17
| <jfhbrook> | I'm basically not allowed to express anger |
| 20:52:22
| <toddself> | jfhbrook that's ridiculous |
| 20:52:30
| <jfhbrook> | so like, to be fair |
| 20:52:35
| <jfhbrook> | what happened this morning was |
| 20:52:49
| <jfhbrook> | my coworkers start talking about some getter in some pull request and I had a thought or two |
| 20:53:01
| <jfhbrook> | I interject with "oh you can totally use getters and setters with the same thing" |
| 20:53:06
| <jfhbrook> | "ya we know *ignore*" says aaren |
| 20:53:31
| <jfhbrook> | later, I try to ask why we're using a getter, and I kinda fucked up by speaking out of turn but there wasn't even an acknowledgement that I spoke |
| 20:53:38
| <jfhbrook> | so I'm like "god fucking damn it", under my breath |
| 20:53:45
| <jfhbrook> | and close my screen and walk to the window for a minute |
| 20:53:48
| <jfhbrook> | apparently that's not okay |
| 20:53:54
| <jfhbrook> | and I guess on some level it's *not* okay |
| 20:54:00
| <jfhbrook> | but like come on |
| 20:54:03
| <toddself> | but like better than being super negative in the middle of the convo |
| 20:54:09
| <toddself> | or arguing right there |
| 20:54:18
| <toddself> | but also like aaren's response isn't ok either |
| 20:54:18
| <jfhbrook> | I dunno |
| 20:54:54
| <jfhbrook> | "this is the last time" is like the worst thing I could have heard though |
| 20:55:48
| <toddself> | yeah |
| 20:56:01
| <toddself> | i would get super frustrated there |
| 20:56:12
| <toddself> | because i'd get told i wasn't being constructive |
| 20:56:31
| <toddself> | because i was saying what we were being allowed to work with didn't allow us to easily make what they wanted |
| 20:56:49
| <toddself> | i went off on paul one day (which i shouldn't have done) |
| 20:56:55
| <toddself> | and got in a TON of trouble about that |
| 20:57:02
| <toddself> | and got told copilot no longer wanted to work with me |
| 20:57:05
| <jfhbrook> | heh |
| 20:57:09
| <jfhbrook> | *I* wanted to work with you |
| 20:57:19
| <toddself> | actually it was you who saved it iirc |
| 20:57:21
| <toddself> | lol |
| 20:57:22
| <jfhbrook> | but I remember that, and yeah I remember being like, wow todd didn't like that |
| 20:57:31
| <jfhbrook> | don't worry, it's still gets all the way down |
| 20:57:32
| <toddself> | i was really negative about having to do all this hydration work on the client |
| 20:57:42
| <toddself> | and walk a ridiculously large network of objects |
| 20:57:48
| <jfhbrook> | yeah |
| 20:57:51
| <jfhbrook> | that's still a thing |
| 20:57:52
| <toddself> | ugh yeah |
| 20:57:55
| <jfhbrook> | our front pages are nuts |
| 20:58:05
| <jfhbrook> | we have a new feature that does hydration for rivers specifically |
| 20:58:12
| <jfhbrook> | but it's not generalized to galleries, or anything else in the graph |
| 20:58:24
| <toddself> | yeah, it was specifically about galleries |
| 20:58:25
| <toddself> | lol |
| 20:58:32
| <toddself> | that was the first day i went home from conde really discouraged |
| 20:58:38
| <jfhbrook> | again, something I was upset about but was unable to make any real headways on |
| 20:58:39
| <toddself> | and started looking for a new job |
| 20:58:41
| <jfhbrook> | yeah |
| 20:58:47
| <jfhbrook> | I think maybe getting on hired is a good idea |
| 20:58:54
| <jfhbrook> | should also ping that recruiter from that cool sounding agency |
| 20:59:06
| <toddself> | i used to apply to jobs even when i wasn't super serious about getting a new job |
| 20:59:10
| <toddself> | if something sounded really cool |
| 20:59:13
| <toddself> | i would throw my resume in |
| 20:59:17
| <toddself> | just like "what if..." |
| 20:59:22
| <toddself> | of course that's why i had like 7 jobs in 2 years |
| 20:59:25
| <toddself> | oops |
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| <jfhbrook> | yeah |
| 21:00:56
| <jfhbrook> | I mean |
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| <jfhbrook> | I don't actively want to leave |
| 21:01:03
| <jfhbrook> | I just want to be *happy* |
| 21:01:05
| <jfhbrook> | here |
| 21:01:18
| <toddself> | julie (my wife) used to tell me that meant finding a new job -- even if it was at the same place |
| 21:01:28
| <jfhbrook> | yeah |
| 21:01:34
| <jfhbrook> | maybe I should try to get transferred |
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