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17:01:17  <aklein>caitp: sorry it took so long to get agreement from an array of reviewers about @@isConcatSpreadable
17:01:49  <aklein>caitp: once that patch is in we ought to be able to move it back to "shipping", right?
17:04:43  <caitp>it can probably make it into m48
17:10:07  <caitp>by which I mean, we should probably stage the concat-spreadable flag once it lands, and if it works out okay, ship it? IIRC the bugs started coming in very very fast last time it was shipped, so maybe a few weeks in staging is enough
17:10:24  <caitp>or was it only staged before
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17:42:47  <caitp>there was a bug in that last patchset, the bootstrapper wasn't installing the symbol on the Symbol function.... so that's just about fixed
17:42:55  <caitp>might want to take one last look before cqing it again
17:43:20  <caitp>otherwise rietveld will be like "oh no, patches were uploaded after lgtm, alert the cops"
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18:33:27  <aklein>caitp: as long as you make the patchset titles safe-sounding enough you're fine :)
18:33:36  <aklein>yeah, I thought it was already staged
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18:39:35  <aklein>caitp: yeah, I believe most Angular apps broke last time
18:43:04  <caitp>so the timeline for this was like, --harmony-arrays shipped, and @@isConcatSpreadable was behind that, and bugs were never found while it was staged, then bugs were found, and it was moved behind a flag (and staged)
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18:43:29  <caitp>maybe it's a good thing to try that finch idea for
18:43:30  <aklein>caitp: yeah. I think it was accidentally left at stage after the firefighting blew over
18:43:37  <aklein>I'm really worried about the finch idea
18:44:11  <aklein>given that our only way of noticing breakage is user reports
18:44:27  <caitp>they arn't automatically reported?
18:44:58  <aklein>what do you mean? we certainly don't gather data on all exceptions thrown by web pages on the Chrome side...
18:45:06  <caitp>that's true
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18:45:39  <caitp>well, it's been broken this whole time it's been staged, and nobody else has reported the same bug
18:46:34  <aklein>that's exactly the reason I'm worried about Finch. presumably some folks are running with "experimental js features" turned on in about:flags and they just don't notice the occasional breakage (or assume the site's broken)
18:46:47  <aklein>most Finch experiments go hand-in-hand with some metrics-gathering
18:47:18  <caitp>I thought the idea was to expose the behaviour to a small number of people without the flag enabled
18:48:51  <aklein>right, but my worry is that that small number of people is less likely to run into problems than a large number of people would....anyway I should chat more with [email protected] about it and see what he has in mind
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18:50:26  <caitp>if we ship it early, that's still only going to affect people eating the dogfood on canary/dev channel for a few weeks, and it's easy to revert if they run into problems
18:51:14  <caitp>if that idea makes sense, I'll prepare a shipping cl?
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19:01:21  <aklein>caitp: yup, go for it
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19:31:28  <caitp>I'm going to hit the button, it seems like the thing to do
19:40:01  <aklein>caitp: thanks, happy to move one more thing down the road towards not being flagged off...
19:40:25  <aklein>now to figure out what toString is supposed to do on cross-origin windows...
19:41:11  <aklein>it looks like no one else has implemented @@toStringTag yet?
19:41:51  <aklein>ah, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114580 has the current status I gues
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19:55:35  <caitp>so, with toString, if we return undefined and get rid of the instance class name, that's potentially a breaking change
19:56:00  <caitp>but iirc a goal with toStringTag was to get rid of instance class name entirely
19:57:22  <caitp>what did bz say about that one?
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20:04:09  <aklein>I don't know if we've fully closed the loop on that
20:04:57  <aklein>I recall yukishiino on the blink team asking about toString on cross-origin objects, but I don't know that we ever tied that into the other question about toStringTag in the DOM
20:05:21  <aklein>(which was that old patch you have lying around where we start returning "HTMLBodyElement" for HTMLBodyElement.prototype.toString()
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20:48:26  <caitp>you mean as opposed to "HTMLBodyElementPrototype", which i don't think anyone other than gecko ever actually returned?
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